Xbox exclusives are pretty rare so we can't miss this opportunity!
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I loved their last game Prey. Execution wasn't perfect but the concept was great. I also liked Deathloop from their sister studio.
Zero interest in this. I could not care less about the setting and the gameplay is not for me. Hopefully Microsoft encourages them to make an immersive sim after this.
Man idk. It looks pretty good and i'll likely play, but just don't know what the reviews will be.
i'll be optimistic and go :
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I've seen very little of this. This is from the same dev as dishonored and prey 2 right?
Either way, I'll say
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i dunno. i don't like participating in this but i think the game looks pretty mid. not bad. not great. probably scores in the middle upper 80s.
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i dunno. i don't like participating in this but i think the game looks pretty mid. not bad. not great. probably scores in the middle upper 80s.
I'll pull a metacritic and "extract" exact numbers from what you wrote.
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I've seen very little of this. This is from the same dev as dishonored and prey 2 right?
Either way, I'll say
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Yup, co-developed the first Dishonored and fully developed Prey (2017).
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Both of you make me feel like I need to lower my prediction :P
Launches tonight so I guess no pre-release reviews. I should have gone with a lower prediction :P
Launches tonight so I guess no pre-release reviews. I should have gone with a lower prediction :P
;D ;D ;D
ahh yeah i guess i didn't realize the reviews aren't coming out before release. BIIIIIG RED FLAG
ACG review was live for a few minutes. Called it one of the worst games of 2023.
70 on opencritic with 10 reviews.
74 with 14 reviews
69 with 18 reviews. Oh no, if it stays in the 60s that'd be catastrophic.
66 with 23 reviews :P
Worse than I originally expected.
Better than I expected after hearing "one of the worst games of the year"
yeowch. also haha!
I mean it's not surprising but hey I was trying to be optimistic. Let's see how starfield turns out as that's the only potential saving grace for Xbox this year at this point
I'll download just to try it
Worse than I originally expected.
Better than I expected after hearing "one of the worst games of the year"
Down to 64 with 35 reviews on opencritic. Going through their list of 2023 games its the worst reviewed game I've heard of.
yeowch. also haha!
I really hope they go back to their roots, but this is so poor that they might not get another chance. No bueno.
I mean it's not surprising but hey I was trying to be optimistic. Let's see how starfield turns out as that's the only potential saving grace for Xbox this year at this point
I'll download just to try it
Starfield will be gotg, don't you jinx it!
edt: up to 66 with 39 reviews. It's still jumping around a lot.
good enough for gamepass (https://www.engadget.com/redfall-review-good-enough-for-game-pass-000641521.html?src=rss&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAK4-YBQr-K3k-zmj5g_QVDFyxEFw0XNymsbP2tGgQcOs_n3VQ2ToLZABT_DfrUHRJaSO9lMYcGmWA4vXaHWAaLwuwN1a7D8LdZR8tLAgeOXk3YCRqvmHe636tzv4ERmN49VLhs-BkHTbV-vGY7PdlY9oSE8s9gA4UHAJIMcjKfrU&guccounter=2).
that feels like the statement for all of Xbox first party these days.
...and I still think starfield looks boring.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/everything-in-this-room-is-out-of-proportion-redfall-v0-y8EwkGM2is62gRi2gTEgho-suzOSrSJ0Tdq9fdi2WJ8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=ff3df6b57e97445d89d82d3f9a842eaebfd04e04)
???
okay, poll time!
redfall is bad....
1. because of MS
2. despite MS
likely despite MS since i assume it was in dev before they were bought.
okay, poll time!
redfall is bad....
1. because of MS
2. despite MS
#1
Zenimax started the game and definitely deserves a lot of blame but Microsoft should have polished it up or cancelled it years ago. How the heck did both this and Infinite get delayed so much yet still release with so many issues?
likely despite MS since i assume it was in dev before they were bought.
i mean, MS finalized the acquisition a bit more than 2 years ago. certainly the game started before MS but MS was around for around 1/2 of the development cycle. clearly MS was in charge when the decision to release this game was made. how much of the game (as released) was the original vision or did MS come in post-acquisition and insert their own priorities?
i don't think we'll ever "know" but it's fun to speculate. xD
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Zenimax started the game and definitely deserves a lot of blame but Microsoft should have polished it up or cancelled it years ago. How the heck did both this and Infinite get delayed so much yet still release with so many issues?
i'm not in game development but i am in software development. I often talk or think about the triangle of priorities:
(https://res.cloudinary.com/monday-blogs/w_1000,h_561,c_fit/fl_lossy,f_auto,q_auto/wp-blog/2020/12/image2-11.png)
this isn't quite the triangle i like because with software "cost" is generally fixed. aka the size of the team doesn't usually get bigger when we're ask to do more. management always loves to fix a release date even before talking to development about the feature because they signed a contract with a customer having never talked to the dev team. so then it's down to negotiating on scope and quality and as you can imagine we always get statements like:
"i'm not asking you to make low quality software. quality is our #1 priority. ...but i need this scope on this date
so you'll just need to find a creative way to meet those goals."
aka, quality is thrown out the window but they refuse to take the blame for the consequences of their decision.
every.fudgy.release.
i mean, MS finalized the acquisition a bit more than 2 years ago. certainly the game started before MS but MS was around for around 1/2 of the development cycle. clearly MS was in charge when the decision to release this game was made. how much of the game (as released) was the original vision or did MS come in post-acquisition and insert their own priorities?
i don't think we'll ever "know" but it's fun to speculate. xD
i'm not in game development but i am in software development. I often talk or think about the triangle of priorities:
(https://res.cloudinary.com/monday-blogs/w_1000,h_561,c_fit/fl_lossy,f_auto,q_auto/wp-blog/2020/12/image2-11.png)
this isn't quite the triangle i like because with software "cost" is generally fixed. aka the size of the team doesn't usually get bigger when we're ask to do more. management always loves to fix a release date even before talking to development about the feature because they signed a contract with a customer having never talked to the dev team. so then it's down to negotiating on scope and quality and as you can imagine we always get statements like:
"i'm not asking you to make low quality software. quality is our #1 priority. ...but i need this scope on this date so you'll just need to find a creative way to meet those goals."
aka, quality is thrown out the window but they refuse to take the blame for the consequences of their decision.
every.fudgy.release.
Infinite wanted to reinvent Halo so it at least had scope ambitions, but Redfall is such a traditional game. On paper it shouldn't have been hard for this studio once 90% of the multiplayer was dropped.
Good lord some of the screenshots I've see of the game are horrendous. Looks like an early ps4 gen game
Good lord some of the screenshots I've see of the game are horrendous. Looks like an early ps4 gen game
I think/hope they are glitches.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/everything-in-this-room-is-out-of-proportion-redfall-v0-y8EwkGM2is62gRi2gTEgho-suzOSrSJ0Tdq9fdi2WJ8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=ff3df6b57e97445d89d82d3f9a842eaebfd04e04)
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That looks so goofy.
I think/hope they are glitches.
I don't know, it's an awful lot of screens people are posting. Some are for sure texture loading issues in a couple of them but this game looks laughably bad. I can't even believe this was released.
Also funny how Xbox fanboys made fun of forspoken and now this is sitting equal with it on Metacritic. Forspoken at least looks better.
I'll get it downloading tonight just to see how it is
You really should watch this if you haven't played the game. It's the most informative video on redfall I've seen.
It's hard to believe this came from Arkane.
edt: also reviews have dropped a bit. Opencritic is 63 and metacritic is 62 for xbox and 58 for pc.
I disliked the game from the moment it was announced but I really didn't expect it to be this bad. Even as of posting this thread I expected it to be fairly successful and just not my cup of tea
Waaaaiiiit. No animated cutscenes at all. What in the actual sour apple of a game
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I have a good feeling about this.
I have a good feeling about this.
You're the only one that's even close!
You're the only one that's even close!
A wild stab in the dark
that was a good watch. hilariously bad game it seems.
"85" Xbox era probably....
that was a good watch. hilariously bad game it seems.
"85" Xbox era probably....
Both xbox era and dualshockers gave it 8.5 ???
I have a good feeling about this.
Your hunch is correct as always
oof. i'm watching that kinda funny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwfEQ1eEyM&ab_channel=KindaFunnyGames) thing and spencer just said their committed to fixing redfall. wrong decision. kill it and move on is the right decision.
oof. i'm watching that kinda funny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKwfEQ1eEyM&ab_channel=KindaFunnyGames) thing and spencer just said their committed to fixing redfall. wrong decision. kill it and move on is the right decision.
He said short term fixes, so hopefully that's all it is.
just finished the kinda funny thing. probably not the right thread to comment but meh.
spencer is soo good at media. it's really too bad he doesn't seem to be all that good at anything else. he did look really stressed out though. between ABK and redfall the guy must be having a hell of a time right now.
just finished the kinda funny thing. probably not the right thread to comment but meh.
spencer is soo good at media. it's really too bad he doesn't seem to be all that good at anything else. he did look really stressed out though. between ABK and redfall the guy must be having a hell of a time right now.
I don't know. The reaction I'm seeing online is pretty negative towards his comments about how Xbox can't compete with Sony or Nintendo by making good games. "I see a lot of pundits out there who kind of want to go back to the time where we all had cartridges and discs and every new generation was a clean slate. And you could switch the whole console share. That is just not the world that we are in today. There is no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That's not going to happen."
I don't know. The reaction I'm seeing online is pretty negative towards his comments about how Xbox can't compete with Sony or Nintendo by making good games. "I see a lot of pundits out there who kind of want to go back to the time where we all had cartridges and discs and every new generation was a clean slate. And you could switch the whole console share. That is just not the world that we are in today. There is no world where Starfield is an 11/10 and people start selling their PS5s. That's not going to happen."
yeah, i think that was a surprisingly "spot on" observation for a guy in his type of position.
tbf - it's a big part of why i loathe MS's aquisition of publishers. i find it offensive that he says he'll bring these games to "more gamers" when where i'm sitting i'm losing access to it. the truth is i could still access them but i'd have to abandon my current platform and that's a really shaming thing to do when i have literally 1000 games in my current library. i'm totally invested and multi-console ownership isn't exactly an answer either because it's not just about the console,... you also have to pay for the subscriptions to get the full experience out of most games these days.
that bit about losing the most important generation is spot on too. i've said it numerous times before,.. the ps4/xbox one generation was the must important one because that's when digital became entrenched. i can (i.e. will/would) put up with quite a lot of BS from sony and still stick by them just because of how expensive it would be to abandon my library now.
Yeah, and you might try to get me on positive, I'm not in positive mode this week so I'll apologize for staying in kind of cranky mode but in terms of Lessons Learned, and I'll even go back to the Redfall videos on IGN, of showing videos of the game running at 60 on PC, at the point knowing that the game was going to run 30 frames per second at launch on Console.
So you can try to take me to positive space I'm just not in that headspace right now.
Doesn't sound like Phil is doing good this week.
Doesn't sound like Phil is doing good this week.
I wonder if he's had an ultimatum?
10 - 20 seconds to load a texture?
Something has to be going on there
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I have a good feeling about this.
Dude even you got it wrong.
Down to 59 on meta.
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Dude even you got it wrong.
Down to 59 on meta.
What ya talking about?
What ya talking about?
How rude, now redfall is going to drop to 56.
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Dude even you got it wrong.
Down to 59 on meta.
What ya talking about?
You're really bad at cheating.
Down to 56 on meta.
What ya talking about?
You're really bad at cheating.
Down to 56 on meta.
dang, I've never seen a game drop so much. Ok I give up.
Anyone comparing Forspoken to this game is a joke. At least Forspoken is polished. visually looks like a PS5 game most of the time and has really fun combat and traversal
Anyone comparing Forspoken to this game is a joke. At least Forspoken is polished. visually looks like a PS5 game most of the time and has really fun combat and traversal
This is even worse than anthem. That game was kinda fun to fly around in.