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Yeah, it doesn't look good. Graphically worse than Ghost of Tsushima which I've just been playing on my base PS4 on a fairly low quality TV compared to the 1440p screen I watched this 4K footage on.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdoInhTX0AEAYav?format=png&name=large)

Where is this image from? It doesn't look that good...

Yeah, it doesn't look good. Graphically worse than Ghost of Tsushima which I've just been playing on my base PS4 on a fairly low quality TV compared to the 1440p screen I watched this 4K footage on.

I don't understand what the game is selling itself on. If it wasn't for the grappling hook I'd say nostalgia/return to classic Halo.

Halo Infinite 2 Won't Be Happening, Says 343 Industries - IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-infinite-2-wont-be-happening-says-343-industries)


Semi live service game. Designed to be a platform for Halo content over the next 10 years.

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Would be cool with raytraced lighting. That face is really bright for looking away from the star.

Rewatched in 4k.

Not at all a next gen showcase. Most of the issues people are seeing seem to just be things that can be polished, like grass culling being a bit too aggressive. Was a nostalgia overload though and kinda still has my interest. I hope the pilot from the ship isn't a major companion though. His character seems like a huge downgrade compared to Cortana.

also rewatched in 4k.   it actually looks worse then in the live show because it is so clear to see how last gen this feels in the 4k trailer.  live there was a lot of lag and resolution was lower i was imagining it was a lot due to the steam quality.   it wasn't.

Halo Infinite 2 Won't Be Happening, Says 343 Industries - IGN (https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-infinite-2-wont-be-happening-says-343-industries)


Semi live service game. Designed to be a platform for Halo content over the next 10 years.


Would be cool with raytraced lighting. That face is really bright for looking away from the star.

makes sense really.  as a game this will probably be very similar to destiny and the gameplay reveled today is really in-line with that.  today's demo featured the large boring overworld with generic respawns but i'm sure there will be strikes, raids, and pvp.   dlc drops a few times a year.   making this GaaS really makes sense as MS seems obsessed with that idea.

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Much better trailer

Digital Foundry:

I kinda feel like we’re looking at an Xbox One game that has been enhanced

— John Linneman (@dark1x) July 23, 2020

Unofficial MS spokesperson. /s

I'm sure Halo Infinite will be great, but I was really hoping to see how it could truly excel in the next-gen and on Xbox Series X. Microsoft hasn't shown that today, but hopefully there's a lot more to show in the coming months

— Tom Warren (@tomwarren) July 23, 2020

Also seems the demo was running on PC. Game is releasing on PC so that really doesn't matter.


I'm still interested in the game but I cannot imagine a worse possible showing. Outside of the grapple and some animations, it genuinely looks like a Halo 1 remaster. It nails that nostalgia but the open world and next gen graphics have been a huge part of its marketing. Why did they show a demo that did nothing?

Is there nothing? Is this game even open world or is it just wide with hubs and spokes?

Also seems the demo was running on PC. Game is releasing on PC so that really doesn't matter.


I'm still interested in the game but I cannot imagine a worse possible showing. Outside of the grapple and some animations, it genuinely looks like a Halo 1 remaster. It nails that nostalgia but the open world and next gen graphics have been a huge part of its marketing. Why did they show a demo that did nothing?

Is there nothing? Is this game even open world or is it just wide with hubs and spokes?

Yeah its a legitimately terrible showing, its like they just picked a part of the game at random to show with no extra polish or consideration of why they might be showing it. In an event like this you gotta show one of the best parts of the game and you've got to spend extra time to polish it to the quality you expect the whole game to reach at launch.

Unless this section did receive extra polish. If so, yikes...

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God of War 2018 looks better than this game. Miles better.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdoInhTX0AEAYav?format=png&name=large)

Where is this image from? It doesn't look that good...


I don't understand what the game is selling itself on. If it wasn't for the grappling hook I'd say nostalgia/return to classic Halo.

Just saw that this is an official 4K shot released by Keighley on twitter.

Xbox GM responds to graphics complaints about Halo Infinite demo | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-gm-responds-to-graphics-complaints-about-halo-infinite-demo.254532/)

Xbox Marketing GM Aaron Greenberg responded to criticism about Infinite's graphics, saying: "Listen, we're in the middle of a global pandemic. It's July, we're far from (launch in) Holiday, you're seeing a work-in-progress game."

 Aaron: " The other thing I'll just say is: it is a work-in-progress. I can tell you, because we see build check-ins every week, and they make progress week after week, so between now and Holiday it's just going to get better and better."

 Aaron responds to feedback " It's very hard to show the full power and graphical fidelity of what Xbox Series X will be able to deliver for you over a stream. Go back and look at it in 4K 60," referring to the fact that the stream was delivered live in 1080p, but the gameplay premiere can be viewed in 4K 60 FPS on the Halo YouTube channel. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZtc5-syeAk&t)


 More here:

   (https://assets1.ignimgs.com/2020/07/22/haloinfinite-02-blogroll-1595445272549.jpg?width=1280)    Halo Infinite Demo Was a Work-in-Progress Build, But Running on a PC as Powerful as Series X - IGN  (https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-infinite-gameplay-demo-early-work-in-progress-build)  Xbox Marketing GM Aaron Greenberg notes that Halo Infinite's campaign gameplay premiere displayed a "work-in-progress" build of the game.   (https://kraken.ignimgs.com/static/favicon.ico) www.ign.com      

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He is right. Lots of things in the demo that people are focusing on should improve a lot.

Grass popping off screen? Just a simple culling issue. Unless they are doing something funky, the fix is just increasing the bounding box.

Grass and geometry draw distances? Again very simple to improve down the line. Doesn't mean they'll be great, but they will be improved.

Fog pop in? Don't know what is causing that but it's just a bug.


Game will not become a next gen showcase but it can def get another layer of polish.



The hardest thing though is that the game looks nice. I want to play it. People would not be mocking these graphics if it was a smaller studio with an unknown ip. The problem is that for ~2 years, this game has been pushed as a tour de force for Microsoft and next gen.

He is right. Lots of things in the demo that people are focusing on should improve a lot.

Grass popping off screen? Just a simple culling issue. Unless they are doing something funky, the fix is just increasing the bounding box.

Grass and geometry draw distances? Again very simple to improve down the line. Doesn't mean they'll be great, but they will be improved.

Fog pop in? Don't know what is causing that but it's just a bug.


Game will not become a next gen showcase but it can def get another layer of polish.



The hardest thing though is that the game looks nice. I want to play it. People would not be mocking these graphics if it was a smaller studio with an unknown ip. The problem is that for ~2 years, this game has been pushed as a tour de force for Microsoft and next gen.

with around 4 months until this ships the polish isn't going to happen even with a day-1 patch.

with around 4 months until this ships the polish isn't going to happen even with a day-1 patch.

4 months is a long time for polish, ignoring how the pandemic is potentially impacting them.



Also in unrelated news, the multiplayer is rumored to be added post launch.

Halo 4 on the Xbox 360 (low resolution, I know.  Best I could find).

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Halo 4 on the Xbox 360 (low resolution, I know.  Best I could find).

(https://d2skuhm0vrry40.cloudfront.net/2012/articles//a/1/5/2/5/8/6/3/Halo_076.bmp.jpg/EG11/resize/960x-1)

Halo Infinite is pushing way more geometry and everything else.

Yet Halo 4 is more visually pleasing if you squint.



It really feels like Halo 1 as a remaster/remake. Sticking to that high contrast nostalgic look instead of going more realistic.

Halo Infinite is pushing way more geometry and everything else.

Yet Halo 4 is more visually pleasing if you squint.



It really feels like Halo 1 as a remaster/remake. Sticking to that high contrast nostalgic look instead of going more realistic.

Halo Infinite is pushing a lot more stuff, but some rougher qualities make it feel like it isn't quite a solid generational leap, let alone two.

Don't worry Chief, Domino's always delivers ???? #HaloInfinite pic.twitter.com/IBbRD6Fh4n

— Domino's Pizza UK (@Dominos_UK) July 27, 2020

Don't worry Chief, Domino's always delivers ???? #HaloInfinite pic.twitter.com/IBbRD6Fh4n

— Domino's Pizza UK (@Dominos_UK) July 27, 2020

I mean that's not how any of this works, but it's flipping crazy how widespread the reaction is if even a Domino's twitter is talking about it.

Don't worry Chief, Domino's always delivers ???? #HaloInfinite pic.twitter.com/IBbRD6Fh4n

— Domino's Pizza UK (@Dominos_UK) July 27, 2020

That's some epic burn

Don't worry Chief, Domino's always delivers ???? #HaloInfinite pic.twitter.com/IBbRD6Fh4n

— Domino's Pizza UK (@Dominos_UK) July 27, 2020

holy doo-doo is that hilarious.  

I mean that's not how any of this works, but it's flipping crazy how widespread the reaction is if even a Domino's twitter is talking about it.

Lmao I love it when brands get edgy on social media. And yeah its everywhere, most people who follow gaming in any capacity online have now seen the memes. Even if its not that bad there's that reputation now. Xbox are in a really big hole, its not like they have any other big games coming soon to try and draw the attention to.

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Been looking at this.  

Some parts are better than I thought.

Lightning feels like a big issue.  
Grass towards the bottom left looks like a pile.  A bad pile.  The trees in the back left part of the screen look bizarrely bad.  Even for being in the distance.  

The wall in the background left doesn't look good either.  

Been looking at this.  

Some parts are better than I thought.

Lightning feels like a big issue.  
Grass towards the bottom left looks like a pile.  A bad pile.  The trees in the back left part of the screen look bizarrely bad.  Even for being in the distance.  

The wall in the background left doesn't look good either.  

There are lots of flaws I see but I see flaws in even the best looking games.

IMO improved lighting would fix like 90% of the issues most players have with it. So many elements look like sprites that have just been pasted on top of the screenshot, like the brute's helmet. Could do with some ambient occlusion.


Rewatching it frame by frame, I think it can be summed up in a few ways.

#1 Textures are incredibly high resolution, believe it or not. Craig's arm is clipping through the camera at one point and yet you can't see any texels.



#2 Normal maps are only used for specular highlights. This seems crazy odd. An object will look completely flat and then at specific angles you can clearly see that it has a full normal map. Lighting is seemingly pre baked into textures. In the screenshot above you can see a heart like outline made from veins on the brute's hands. This is in full direct sunlight and realistically the left side of a vein would be darker, but instead that's only true for the right half of the heart. The cliffs in the background look so freaking low res because lighting is based off the mesh instead of off the normal map.



If my #2 point is correct, we could see a HUGE jump in game quality. It's seemingly a stylistic choice to make the game look more like Combat Evolved.

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— Jason Schreier (@jasonschreier) July 30, 2020

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Seems series x logo might also be on the top right.

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Seems series x logo might also be on the top right.

Surely this can't be real? That's Series X in three different places on weird badges.

Surely this can't be real? That's Series X in three different places on weird badges.

It's from an Amazon.de listing.

Most games have 2 series X listings like the big badge. This apparently has an extra one in the corner.

Someone should make a mock up where the whole front cover is that badge.

lol, optimized for series x..

Infinite Inquiries | Halo Community Update | Halo - Official Site (https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/infinite-inquiries)

Talks about the demo. Was a few weeks old with some work in progress.

Graphics are mostly an art choice.

Same stuff we expected.

Infinite Inquiries | Halo Community Update | Halo - Official Site (https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/infinite-inquiries)

Talks about the demo. Was a few weeks old with some work in progress.

Graphics are mostly an art choice.

Same stuff we expected.

I was just going to say. 
Must be hard to respond to this kind of stuff

European retailer has f2p 120 fps Halo Infinite advertised on their website.

Halo Inifnite Multiplayer "Free to play" and 120 fps Rumor | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/halo-inifnite-multiplayer-free-to-play-and-120-fps.259047/)

(https://preview.redd.it/8px8oe3eo3e51.jpg?auto=webp&s=a1adb5b1d8e4950a207fde42e868fb5101c5294c)    r/halo - Halo Infinite Multiplayer 'Free-to-Play.'  (https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/i0z2k0/halo_infinite_multiplayer_freetoplay/)  0 votes and 10 comments so far on Reddit   (https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/favicon/apple-icon-57x57.png) www.reddit.com    
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 Source is https://www.smythstoys.com/ie/en-ie/xbox-series-x-register  

People are trying to calculate the size of Halo Infinite's map. Scale is definitely off because by the calculated numbers, it's this large compared to AC Odyssey.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-lee-halo-infinites-campaign-several-times-larger-than-halo-4-5-combined-someone-tried-to-estimate-the-size-of-the-demo-map-and-its-huge.259350 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-lee-halo-infinites-campaign-several-times-larger-than-halo-4-5-combined-someone-tried-to-estimate-the-size-of-the-demo-map-and-its-huge.259350)

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People are trying to calculate the size of Halo Infinite's map. Scale is definitely off because by the calculated numbers, it's this large compared to AC Odyssey.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-lee-halo-infinites-campaign-several-times-larger-than-halo-4-5-combined-someone-tried-to-estimate-the-size-of-the-demo-map-and-its-huge.259350 (https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-lee-halo-infinites-campaign-several-times-larger-than-halo-4-5-combined-someone-tried-to-estimate-the-size-of-the-demo-map-and-its-huge.259350)

(https://i.imgur.com/eduYtrn.png)

That doesn't look right. Also if that's the whole map then why is it so lacking in detail?

How far did we go in the demo?

Its supposedly just 1 biome.  

I'm guessing that the number includes terrain. (He should have tried solving for height of the mountain).
 So it's smaller than that.  

Its supposedly just 1 biome.  

I'm guessing that the number includes terrain. (He should have tried solving for height of the mountain).
 So it's smaller than that.  

He did actually. The reddit person def did a good job with the math and measurements. I think it's just the game exaggerating distances or having a funky scale.

That doesn't look right. Also if that's the whole map then why is it so lacking in detail?

How far did we go in the demo?

Yeah it doesn't look right at all. The demo was along that red line.

if that game demo followed the red line then that map is tiny. 

if you subtract off the beginning and ending cut scenes that red line was traversed in 4 minutes and 32 seconds which includes time to look at the sky to take in the scenery, ride up the elevator, and have 3 "major" fire fights.   this makes it comparable to a medium sized planet in destiny.    that can't be the entire map.

European retailer has f2p 120 fps Halo Infinite advertised on their website.

Halo Inifnite Multiplayer "Free to play" and 120 fps Rumor | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/halo-inifnite-multiplayer-free-to-play-and-120-fps.259047/)

Halo is for everyone. We can confirm #HaloInfinite multiplayer will be free-to-play and will support 120FPS on Xbox Series X. More details will be shared later! pic.twitter.com/9bIrppFiON

— Halo (@Halo) July 31, 2020

Oh boy that sucks

Oh boy that sucks

Why do you say that?

Why do you say that?

Halo 5 mp was microtransaction focused so f2p is ok from that perspective.

I had just hoped with gamepass and the negative feedback they'd push infinite the other direction.


Also poor timing since the campaign wasn't looking too hot.

Our new official Xbox mascot :-) love the community and their ability to just take something fun and run with it.

— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) July 31, 2020

Halo 5 mp was microtransaction focused so f2p is ok from that perspective.

I had just hoped with gamepass and the negative feedback they'd push infinite the other direction.


Also poor timing since the campaign wasn't looking too hot.

Seems your reaction is opposite to almost everyone. It will be interesting to see what the wider audience thinks of this.

Seems your reaction is opposite to almost everyone. It will be interesting to see what the wider audience thinks of this.

I think most people are focusing on 120 fps.

And I think fanboys are trying to use this to counteract the craig memes.

I think most people are focusing on 120 fps.

And I think fanboys are trying to use this to counteract the craig memes.

Possibly. Also people don't care about the campaign and are happy they don't have to pay for it.

it feels like all MP except CoD is going free to play. 

...really glad i don't like MP games.  

Possibly. Also people don't care about the campaign and are happy they don't have to pay for it.

Yeah but have you heard about gamepass!?

You'd think most core Microsoft fans were going to get it free either way.

Yeah but have you heard about gamepass!?

You'd think most core Microsoft fans were going to get it free either way.

Lol well that's true.

I'll be really interested to see how all this goes for MS. I think what we'll see is them picking up traction in the PC space and perhaps getting some new customers with Lockheart but nothing they're doing is going to pull anyone away from a PS5.

Perhaps all this will just lead to an expansion of the market.

Halo on Twitter: Halo is for everyone. We can confirm #HaloInfinite multiplayer will be free-to-play and will support 120FPS on Xbox Series X. More details will be shared later! : halo (https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/i1f35r/halo_on_twitter_halo_is_for_everyone_we_can/)


Non resetera take on this.

Closer to my gut reaction.