VizionEck

In current events Florida has rejects almost half the approved math book as containing too "controversial" of content to be taught to kids.   here  you can see some examples of what conservatives deem to inappropriate to teach to a kid:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/22/us/florida-rejected-textbooks.html

in short, they don't want kids to have any exposure to:
- empathy
- how to deal with and overcome feelings of frustration
- self confidence
- treating others with respect

they are pitching these books as "radical left rewiring to left wing ideology" but it's real focus is on improving yourself both academically and emotionally.

thus, if conservatives deem this as "political" then the only conclusion that can be made is it right wing ideology to be the complete opposite of being a decent human being:
- greedy an unmindful of those around them
- ignorant and angry about it
- weak minded and submissive to authoritarians
- violent and abusive to others


In short, conservatives are horrible human beings committed to inflicting suffering and misery on humanity.   that's just a fact now.  it's the core of their political ideology. 

I've seen some of those books that got rejected and they seem pretty sus to me. I don't think labelling 1 side like you did really helps the conversation. It's annoying that both sides hold so much hate for each other that no rational Discord can be had. I'm fed up with all this labelling to cause divide

I've seen some of those books that got rejected and they seem pretty sus to me. I don't think labelling 1 side like you did really helps the conversation. It's annoying that both sides hold so much hate for each other that no rational Discord can be had. I'm fed up with all this labelling to cause divide

I don't like Kitler's framing of it, but I get where he's coming from.

I've spent the past several years having conversations with people.

I've been polite, even to people that were legitimately openly white supremacists, because I thought it would make it more likely for people to listen to me, and debate honestly.

I've been factual, providing sources and arguments to every single claim. I would spend hours researching stuff, even to the point where it was legitimately straining on my marriage.

In the end, none of it ever mattered.
My politeness was virtue signaling. My sources were propaganda.
My arguments were twisted to bizarre versions of themselves.


We can't talk about how black people have life harder than white people on average, without people claiming racism is gone, black people deserve a hard life, maybe if they didn't have single parents.

We can't talk about black people having a harder life on average, without people claiming that "we hate white people".

We can't talk about climate change without people complaining that it's all a government conspiracy, it's not real, the science isn't settled.

We can't talk about vaccines without people complaining that it's all Bill Gates conspiracies, a government conspiracy, we're being experimented on.

We can't talk about transgender people, or even that biology is way more complex than what we learn in a middle school classroom, without someone calling people they think are weird, rapists and pedophiles. 

We can't even talk about the existence of gay people without being called pedophiles.

I don't hate white or straight or cis or Christian people, just because I think other people, that aren't those things, also deserve a good life. 

I don't hate conservatives. I just wish they'd listen to reason, stop making enemies out of every fricken thing they don't understand.

And when it comes to climate change, I wish they'd actually try coming up with solutions instead of being this:

I've seen some of those books that got rejected and they seem pretty sus to me. I don't think labelling 1 side like you did really helps the conversation. It's annoying that both sides hold so much hate for each other that no rational Discord can be had. I'm fed up with all this labelling to cause divide

i'm tired of our kangaroo supreme court.

i'm tired of the constant attacks on voting rights.

i'm pissed we had an insuration to overturn the election that half this country views them as "patriots".

i'm pissed conservatives in michigan attempted to kidnap and murder the governor.

i'm pissed a conservative politicians literally stating "when do we get to start shooting democrats?" and no conservative was willing to even condemn it.

i'm pissed conservatives are now using government to punish corporations that don't fully support conservative agendas no matter how inhumane they are.


this isn't a "both sides" argument.   conservatives are one tucker carlson monologue away from being in full support an authoritarian take over of America in order to commit mass genocide of political adversaries.   it's why trump has soo many nice things to say about putin.   ...they envy Russia's sham elections, state-controlled media, and the lack of consequences for murdering his political adversaries.  that is the dystopian future conservatives are bringing to America,.. the end of freedom and the reign of conservative terrorism.

I don't like Kitler's framing of it, but I get where he's coming from.

I've spent the past several years having conversations with people.

I've been polite, even to people that were legitimately openly white supremacists, because I thought it would make it more likely for people to listen to me, and debate honestly.

I've been factual, providing sources and arguments to every single claim. I would spend hours researching stuff, even to the point where it was legitimately straining on my marriage.

In the end, none of it ever mattered.
My politeness was virtue signaling. My sources were propaganda.
My arguments were twisted to bizarre versions of themselves.


We can't talk about how black people have life harder than white people on average, without people claiming racism is gone, black people deserve a hard life, maybe if they didn't have single parents.

We can't talk about black people having a harder life on average, without people claiming that "we hate white people".

We can't talk about climate change without people complaining that it's all a government conspiracy, it's not real, the science isn't settled.

We can't talk about vaccines without people complaining that it's all Bill Gates conspiracies, a government conspiracy, we're being experimented on.

We can't talk about transgender people, or even that biology is way more complex than what we learn in a middle school classroom, without someone calling people they think are weird, rapists and pedophiles.  

We can't even talk about the existence of gay people without being called pedophiles.

I don't hate white or straight or cis or Christian people, just because I think other people, that aren't those things, also deserve a good life.  

I don't hate conservatives. I just wish they'd listen to reason, stop making enemies out of every fricken thing they don't understand.

And when it comes to climate change, I wish they'd actually try coming up with solutions instead of being this:

Spoiler for Hidden:

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This is why I think it's a problem on both sides. There are reasonable people on both sides that are willing to talk but there's so few. People like yourself might want a reasonable debate but won't find anybody open minded enough to talk and same for people on the other side of the fence. Everybody just concludes that each side are closed minded and wrong, even the reasonable people because they can't find a decent debate.
Idk, it all just makes me sick and why I very rarely discuss politics.

i'm tired of our kangaroo supreme court.

i'm tired of the constant attacks on voting rights.

i'm pissed we had an insuration to overturn the election that half this country views them as "patriots".

i'm pissed conservatives in michigan attempted to kidnap and murder the governor.

i'm pissed a conservative politicians literally stating "when do we get to start shooting democrats?" and no conservative was willing to even condemn it.

i'm pissed conservatives are now using government to punish corporations that don't fully support conservative agendas no matter how inhumane they are.


this isn't a "both sides" argument.   conservatives are one tucker carlson monologue away from being in full support an authoritarian take over of America in order to commit mass genocide of political adversaries.   it's why trump has soo many nice things to say about putin.   ...they envy Russia's sham elections, state-controlled media, and the lack of consequences for murdering his political adversaries.  that is the dystopian future conservatives are bringing to America,.. the end of freedom and the reign of conservative terrorism.

That sounds a very one sided opinion to me but something I'm not going to argue about. My issue is more along the lines of why tf can't people talk about issues instead of pointing fingers. We should have the freedom to talk about things without getting shut down and disagreeing is part of an healthy argument. It's just that people get over aggressive and everything turns into a shouting match. It's not productive.

This is why I think it's a problem on both sides. There are reasonable people on both sides that are willing to talk but there's so few. People like yourself might want a reasonable debate but won't find anybody open minded enough to talk and same for people on the other side of the fence. Everybody just concludes that each side are closed minded and wrong, even the reasonable people because they can't find a decent debate.
Idk, it all just makes me sick and why I very rarely discuss politics.

The smartest, most open minded and reasonable conservative I've ever talked to, still justified lots of nonsense.

I've never found a reasonable conservative willing to talk about solutions to racism or climate change. And it's not from a lack of trying.

I'm sure they're out there, but they don't seem willing to talk.

That sounds a very one sided opinion to me but something I'm not going to argue about. My issue is more along the lines of why tf can't people talk about issues instead of pointing fingers. We should have the freedom to talk about things without getting shut down and disagreeing is part of an healthy argument. It's just that people get over aggressive and everything turns into a shouting match. It's not productive.

Part of the problem is that people can't even agree on what the issues even are.

We can't fix climate change, if half the politicians are convinced that it's not real.
We can't fix racism, if both halves of the politicians are convinced that opposite sides are the victims of racism.


And I disagree heavily that conservatives are getting shut down for reasonable discussion. They're not getting shut down for having different ideas on how to tackle climate change, or racism or transphobia.

They might be getting shut down for climate change denial, or transphobia. Which I don't think is optimal, but it's dangerous for hatred and lies to propagate. 

The smartest, most open minded and reasonable conservative I've ever talked to, still justified lots of nonsense.

I've never found a reasonable conservative willing to talk about solutions to racism or climate change. And it's not from a lack of trying.

I'm sure they're out there, but they don't seem willing to talk.

Part of the problem is that people can't even agree on what the issues even are.

We can't fix climate change, if half the politicians are convinced that it's not real.
We can't fix racism, if both halves of the politicians are convinced that opposite sides are the victims of racism.


And I disagree heavily that conservatives are getting shut down for reasonable discussion. They're not getting shut down for having different ideas on how to tackle climate change, or racism or transphobia.

They might be getting shut down for climate change denial, or transphobia. Which I don't think is optimal, but it's dangerous for hatred and lies to propagate.  

Do all conservatives really believe climate change isn't a thing, do all conservatives believe that trans issues aren't a thing and do all conservatives believe that racism isn't a thing or do they just disagree with the way it's being dealt with? If they aren't acknowledging these issues at all then that's wrong. Still, freedom of speech should always remain because letting corporations and governments sensor people is a slippery slope. I feel I'm starting to go off topic about freedom of speech but it all ties in.

Do all conservatives really believe climate change isn't a thing, do all conservatives believe that trans issues aren't a thing and do all conservatives believe that racism isn't a thing or do they just disagree with the way it's being dealt with? If they aren't acknowledging these issues at all then that's wrong. Still, freedom of speech should always remain because letting corporations and governments sensor people is a slippery slope. I feel I'm starting to go off topic about freedom of speech but it all ties in.

my conservative dad to me  "gays should shut the fudge up about being discriminated and just be thankful we don't kill them like god intended."

conservatives argued that that gay marriage is unconstitutional because a Christians "freedom of religion" is infringed if their view on marriage isn't applied to all citizens regardless of their religion.

conservatives are fighting for "stand your ground" laws where ordinary citizens can murder other citizens if the "feel afraid".   we've had a ton of cases where in recent years where a conservative activist murdered someone "in self defense" after aggressively harassing and threatening someone else and then suddenly feeling "afraid" that this UNARMED citizen might try to shoot them.

conservatives passed an anti-abortion law that removes what is supposed to have been a legally as a constitutional right to an abortion.  the law was upheld by our kangaroo supreme court because the law was designed (on purpose) to be soooooo unconstitutional there is no "legal" way to challenge the law and thus the law remains in effect despite being purposefully unconstitutional.

conservatives actively deny climate change.

conservative views on racism is that the only real racism in America is against white men.

...that's why conservatives in Florida and Texas made it illegal for schools to teach or acknowledge in any way that American allowed slavery.  it's illegal to cover such a "controversial" topic because a white person may be made to feel guilty about our history.

also conservatives in Florida made it illegal for schools to acknowledge that homosexuality exists.


...what was that you were saying about free speech again?!?


maybe i'm just having a bad day but i need to vent.   conservatives in america are scum.

Do all conservatives really believe climate change isn't a thing, do all conservatives believe that trans issues aren't a thing and do all conservatives believe that racism isn't a thing or do they just disagree with the way it's being dealt with? If they aren't acknowledging these issues at all then that's wrong.

There are certainly a lot of conservatives out there that agree with those things being issues. I haven't seen them propose any real solutions.

I'm frustrated and I'm scared.
Some of the smartest people that I know, that I love and respect, don't seem to care about these issues.
I'm worried about how climate change will affect my kids and their generation.
I'm worried about how people will treat my kids, if they end up being gay or trans.

At this point I feel like I'm on a sinking ship, screaming that people are drowning. And a lot of people don't seem to care, and a lot of the rest are cheering it on.

Still, freedom of speech should always remain because letting corporations and governments sensor people is a slippery slope. I feel I'm starting to go off topic about freedom of speech but it all ties in.

I think freedom of speech is important, but I also view it as a double edged sword.

It can bring out the worst in people and weaponize them. Propaganda works.

There are certainly a lot of conservatives out there that agree with those things being issues. I haven't seen them propose any real solutions.

I'm frustrated and I'm scared.
Some of the smartest people that I know, that I love and respect, don't seem to care about these issues.
I'm worried about how climate change will affect my kids and their generation.
I'm worried about how people will treat my kids, if they end up being gay or trans.

At this point I feel like I'm on a sinking ship, screaming that people are drowning. And a lot of people don't seem to care, and a lot of the rest are cheering it on.

I think freedom of speech is important, but I also view it as a double edged sword.

It can bring out the worst in people and weaponize them. Propaganda works.

I respect your opinions. I have a different take on this but also see some of the things you see but I do appreciate what you've said. I will also keep what you said in my mind. I'm trying to figure all this out myself and scared of being brain washed by one side or the other. I really value opinions from intelligent people like yourself, so it's not wasted on me.

Reuters: Trump allies breach US voting systems in search of 'evidence'.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-breaches/

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/14/texas-sues-biden-administration-over-abortion-rule.html

Texas on Thursday asked a federal court to block the Biden administration's requirement that physicians and hospitals provide abortions in medical emergencies.

there are no words to describe my anger at this...

i think it's obvious that nancy was the real target.  the motivation is as simple as conservatives are horrible human beings and assassinations and violence has always been fundamental to how they deal with politics:  lincon.  martian luther.  jfk.  lynching.  tulsa.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/28/us/politics/nancy-pelosi-husband-assaulted.html

Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband, Paul Pelosi, was hospitalized after he was assaulted by someone who broke into the couple's residence in San Francisco early on Friday morning, a spokesman for Ms. Pelosi said.

"Early this morning, an assailant broke into the Pelosi residence in San Francisco and violently assaulted Mr. Pelosi," Drew Hammill, the spokesman, said in a statement on Friday (https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/102822). "The assailant is in custody and the motivation for the attack is under investigation."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/28/politics/pelosi-attack-suspect-conspiracy-theories-invs/index.html

probably not quite the right place to post this but i don't feel like making a dedicated thread...

...this deal with Kevin McCarthy is just embarrasing.



let me be clear here,.. i want to call out these 20 "republicans" that are never-McCarthyers as being the scum.   it's such vivid example of how they are just incapable governing the country.   soo obsessed with their personal goals and they give 0-fudges that anyone else in the country and finding common ground should be the goal.   i really hope the moderate republicans win here.  i'd be soo excited if the moderate republicans made a deal with democrats to elect a moderate republican for speaker.   anything to put these extremists republicans in their place.  

geez,.. you'd think that people like boebert (who barely won her election) would realize that this kind of behavior is exactly why the "red wave" never happened.

McCarthy makes massive concessions to the far-right that will inflict massive damage to the role of the house speaker and ultimately to our country in that it will be impossible to govern at all....

....doesn't even pick up one vote.


time to step down McCarthy.   are you in this for yourself or for the country?    you need to pivot to the democratics and find a moderate speaker the majority can feel good about and cut these extremist out of government.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/solomon-pena-arrested-new-mexico-shootings/index.html

Failed GOP candidate arrested on suspicion of orchestrating shootings at homes of Democrats in New Mexico, police say

Peña will face charges related to four shootings: a December 4 incident at the home of Bernalillo County Commissioner Adriann Barboa; a December 8 shooting at the home of incoming state House Speaker Javier Martinez; a December 11 shooting at the home of then-Bernalillo Commissioner Debbie O'Malley; and a January 3 shooting at the home of state Sen. Linda Lopez, police said in a news release.

In the latest shooting, police found evidence "Peña himself went on this shooting and actually pulled the trigger on at least one of the firearms that was used," Albuquerque police Deputy Cmdr. Kyle Hartsock said. But an AR handgun he tried to use malfunctioned, and more than a dozen rounds were fired by another shooter from a separate handgun, the police statement said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/08/jackson-mississippi-republicans-unelected-court-system

Mississippi Republicans create a separate, unelected court system and police force to oppress the predominantly (80%) black city of Jackson.

Uh.

Missouri Republicans vote to allow children to carry guns (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/missouri-republicans-vote-to-allow-children-to-carry-guns/ar-AA17iF8r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f61467d64cdd43f093c3bc3fc3afbb3d)

Missouri's Republican-controlled state House has voted against banning children from openly carrying guns on public land without adult supervision.

"While it may be intuitive that a 14-year-old has no legitimate purpose, it doesn't actually mean that they're going to harm someone. We don't know that yet," said Rep Tony Lovasco, a Republican from the St Louis suburb of O'Fallon.

Uh.

Missouri Republicans vote to allow children to carry guns (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/missouri-republicans-vote-to-allow-children-to-carry-guns/ar-AA17iF8r?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f61467d64cdd43f093c3bc3fc3afbb3d)

Lmaooo

America!!! This is so horrible its hilarious

The "we don't know that yet" part is the cherry on top. Thats what common sense is for buddy... and hey.. when kids start to shoot people, and you send mostly the black ones to jail... Will ya reverse the law? Of course not.

democrates really needs to rebrand.   

we don't want "gun control",.. we want "responsible gun ownership".    republicans have taken so a extreeme view on guns that what they are not fighting for is to be totally irresponsible with their guns in our communities.  

Lmaooo

America!!! This is so horrible its hilarious

The "we don't know that yet" part is the cherry on top. Thats what common sense is for buddy... and hey.. when kids start to shoot people, and you send mostly the black ones to jail... Will ya reverse the law? Of course not.

not quite,..  the black kids are executed.   the white ones are celebrated as heros.

I'm so fed up with everything political having to be polarised. The gun laws is so messed up in USA and Republicans have to accept that gun ownership has to be strict. Dems have to realise that you can't ban guns. It's like fudgy kids arguing all the time. Stop trying to score points over the other side act like adults and come up with a reasonable compromise that both sides can at least accept. All this arguing, no change and people are suffering while the idiots "running" the country line their own pockets.

I'm so fed up with everything political having to be polarised. The gun laws is so messed up in USA and Republicans have to accept that gun ownership has to be strict. Dems have to realise that you can't ban guns. It's like fudgy kids arguing all the time. Stop trying to score points over the other side act like adults and come up with a reasonable compromise that both sides can at least accept. All this arguing, no change and people are suffering while the idiots "running" the country line their own pockets.

Well you can ban guns. A lot of countries in Europe do it, and it works very very very well.

In fact it makes things so. Much. Safer.

I'm so fed up with everything political having to be polarised. The gun laws is so messed up in USA and Republicans have to accept that gun ownership has to be strict. Dems have to realise that you can't ban guns. It's like fudgy kids arguing all the time. Stop trying to score points over the other side act like adults and come up with a reasonable compromise that both sides can at least accept. All this arguing, no change and people are suffering while the idiots "running" the country line their own pockets.

don't fudgy "both sides" this...

dems tried a pass a law that a minor (under 18) can't open carry an assult rifle unattended and republicans shot it down.



dems aren't trying to ban guns they are trying to get some sensible level of law and order and around what it too harmful to society to be allowed.   republicans current view is that absolutely no restrictions can be put on guns in any way whatsoever.   in republican states like tx they are pushing for unregistered open carry for any citizen regardless of anything such as history of violent crime.  in democratic states courts have recently shot down all sorts of reasonable restrictions:
- a permit is required to open/concealed carry
- persons with active restraining order for domestic violence can't buy guns


Republicans recently overturned a restriction that people can't carry guns in to public locations like a school.   Republicans have an active lawsuit right now to overturn private property owners from being able to ban guns on their own property. 


and frankly don't forget the other half of this story.   while republicans flood our streets with guns::
1. it was republicans that made it legal for police officer to kill any citizen for which they "fear for their lives".
2. republican are also pushing the vigilantly laws that allow citizen to openly murder other citizens without repercussion so long as they "thought" they were in danger.

that's how we get shame like that story where some black guy parks in a handicap spot and some white guy decides it's is right to put a gun in the black guys face demanding he move his car and then the black guy flinched and the white guy kills the black guy.   the white guy faced no charges because despite aggressively threating the black man with a gun he "feared for his life" when black man reaction was total and complete submission....


do NOT fudgy "both sides" this.  lynching never stopped in america,.. republicans just legalized it.

Well you can ban guns. A lot of countries in Europe do it, and it works very very very well.

In fact it makes things so. Much. Safer.

Technically a lot of countries in Europe have very broad gun ownership like Norway and Sweden.
Even Australia has quite a few guns.

They just take more care with gun licenses among other things.

Technically a lot of countries in Europe have very broad gun ownership like Norway and Sweden.
Even Australia has quite a few guns.

They just take more care with gun licenses among other things.

And Sweden is having a lot of trouble with guns and crime actually

don't fudgy "both sides" this...

dems tried a pass a law that a minor (under 18) can't open carry an assult rifle unattended and republicans shot it down.



dems aren't trying to ban guns they are trying to get some sensible level of law and order and around what it too harmful to society to be allowed.   republicans current view is that absolutely no restrictions can be put on guns in any way whatsoever.   in republican states like tx they are pushing for unregistered open carry for any citizen regardless of anything such as history of violent crime.  in democratic states courts have recently shot down all sorts of reasonable restrictions:
- a permit is required to open/concealed carry
- persons with active restraining order for domestic violence can't buy guns


Republicans recently overturned a restriction that people can't carry guns in to public locations like a school.   Republicans have an active lawsuit right now to overturn private property owners from being able to ban guns on their own property.  


and frankly don't forget the other half of this story.   while republicans flood our streets with guns::
1. it was republicans that made it legal for police officer to kill any citizen for which they "fear for their lives".
2. republican are also pushing the vigilantly laws that allow citizen to openly murder other citizens without repercussion so long as they "thought" they were in danger.

that's how we get shame like that story where some black guy parks in a handicap spot and some white guy decides it's is right to put a gun in the black guys face demanding he move his car and then the black guy flinched and the white guy kills the black guy.   the white guy faced no charges because "he feared for his life"....


do NOT fudgy "both sides" this.  lynching never stopped in america,.. republicans just legalized it.

I absolutely agree. I both sided politics in general. I did think the Democrats were pushing to ban guns outright but probably getting confused with the loudmouth Twitterers. But even if the Dems were pushing for an outright ban I didn't mean for it to sound 50/50 because what the republicans want when it comes gun control is seriously messed up.

I absolutely agree. I both sided politics in general. I did think the Democrats were pushing to ban guns outright but probably getting confused with the loudmouth Twitterers. But even if the Dems were pushing for an outright ban I didn't mean for it to sound 50/50 because what the republicans want when it comes gun control is seriously messed up.

no dem is asking to outright ban guns.  maybe a few think about it to themselves but with our second amendment not one is crazy enough to think there is even a 0.0000001% chance of that happening.   we are pushing for responsible gun ownership.  

things like if you have a gun in the house and a small child that the gun be properly secured so we don't have yet another killing caused by a 5 year old not understanding the consequences of a gun set unattended on a counter. 

...but we can't even pass that.  

all because republicans blatantly lie and create a false equivalence between any sensible gun regulation and an outright ban on guns.  

to add because now I'm worked up.


sandy hook:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
...was performed by a kid with known metal issues.  he would not have been allowed to purchase a gun but he didn't have to.  he just grabbed from the pile of guns his mother didn't secure in his house and proceeded to murder 26 people (20 kids).  

the republican response?

thoughts and prayers.  it would be disrespectful to the victims to talk about guns right now. we can't prove any gun law would have stopped this.  democrats just want to take away our guns....

to add because now I'm worked up.


sandy hook:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting
...was performed by a kid with known metal issues.  he would not have been allowed to purchase a gun but he didn't have to.  he just grabbed from the pile of guns his mother didn't secure in his house and proceeded to murder 26 people (20 kids).  

the republican response?

thoughts and prayers.  it would be disrespectful to the victims to talk about guns right now. we can't prove any gun law would have stopped this.  democrats just want to take away our guns....

That's battleship. Sounds like they want all the gun laws their way. Why wouldn't you want tighter gun control? Technically they are right in saying that we don't know if any gun laws could of stopped the Sandy Hook shootings but what a dumb thing to say when little to know laws is probably 99.99% why it happened.  But hey, there is that 0.01% why tighter laws might not of prevented that incident. Tighter gun laws will lead to fewer gun related deaths and fewer school shootings. That's obvious. Sounds like they need to get their out from out their own dog.

https://www.newsweek.com/wyoming-ending-child-marriage-sparks-republican-outrage-1780501

The Wyoming Republican Party is seeking to kill a bill working its way through the state Legislature proposing to raise the state's legal marriage age to 16, arguing that putting "arbitrary" limits on child marriage interferes with parental rights and religious liberty.

Other states, like Tennessee, have actually sought to go in the opposite direction, with Republicans there seeking last year to eliminate any limits on marriage entirely until public outrage forced them to reverse course.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-superintendent-resigns-3rd-grader-finds-gun-unattended-school-ba-rcna71567

conservatives plan for protecting our kids is more guns in school.   

the superintendent left his gun in the bathroom where a 3rd grader found it.    so much safer now...

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you make a great point.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/florida-republicans-bill-ban-state-democratic-party-rcna72917

A Republican in Florida's state Legislature has filed a bill that, if enacted, would eliminate the Florida Democratic Party.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/

The right's war on different and trans people took center stage at the Conservative Political Action Conference as Daily Wire host Michael Knowles openly called for the public eradication of transgenderism. During his speech on Saturday, Knowles told the crowd, "For the good of society… transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely -- the whole preposterous ideology, at every level."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/21/politics/zooey-zephyr-montana-republicans-censure/index.html

Republicans to their transgender colleague:  "Please be more respectful as we strip you of your freedoms and liberties."

Florida Republicans passes bill in House to allow the state to take custody of trans children who receive care  (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/florida-republicans-trans-kids-parents-bill-b2323714.html)

https://www.newsweek.com/bud-light-sales-decline-dylan-mulvaney-transgender-boycott-1796451

so like,.. i'm not a fan of the motivation of this boycott but the idea of boycotting something is a thing i'm okay with.  that said,..  i just want to take a moment to point of the hypocrisy that conservatives will continue to decry "cancel culture" while also absolutely embracing cancel culture.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/tucker-carlson-white-men-fight-racist-wrong-rcna82668
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/03/books-review/tucker-carlson-text-message-whiteness.html

A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living shame out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It's not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they'd hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn't good for me. I'm becoming something I don't want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I'm sure I'd hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn't gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don't care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?

~ Tucker Carlson

NAACP Issues Travel Advisory in Florida (https://naacp.org/articles/naacp-issues-travel-advisory-florida)

The formal travel notice states, "Florida is openly hostile toward African Americans, people of color and LGBTQ+ individuals. Before traveling to Florida, please understand that the state of Florida devalues and marginalizes the contributions of, and the challenges faced by African Americans and other communities of color."

not sure how many of you can view this due to pay walls but:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/2023/christian-home-schoolers-revolt/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f002

i was not home schooled but i grew up in a conservative household that was just as dedicated to child abuses as they describe here.   was a difficult read for me tbh.

"The use of the rod is for the purpose of breaking the child's will," stated the handout that they bent over together in the church. "One way to tell if this has happened is to see if they can look you in the eyes after being disciplined and ask for forgiveness."

not sure how many of you can view this due to pay walls but:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/2023/christian-home-schoolers-revolt/?itid=hp-top-table-main_p001_f002

i was not home schooled but i grew up in a conservative household that was just as dedicated to child abuses as they describe here.   was a difficult read for me tbh.

This was even worse...

This was even worse...

Spoiler for Hidden:

The Pearls advocate hitting children with tree branches, belts and other "instruments of love" to instill obedience, and recommend that toddlers who take slowly to potty training be washed outdoors with cold water from a garden hose. Their book advocates "training sessions" in which infants, as soon as they are old enough to crawl, are placed near a desired object and repeatedly struck with a switch if they disobey commands not to touch it.

yeah probably,.. but not as personally relatable for me.  as far as i remember my potty training was uneventful.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/11/videos-show-nazi-flags-desantis-sign-disney-world/70310731007/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/nazi-desantis-flags-protest-disney-b2355995.html

"DeSantis 2024 Make America Florida"

~ literal fudgy nazis

kind of a follow-up story here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/05/us/ohio-abortion-rape-trial.html

a 10-year old ohio girl got raped (twice) and as a result got pregnat.  ohio abortion laws prevented her from getting an abortion and so she had to travel to indiana.  conservatives assailed the story as "fake news".  well they guy that raped her is now sentenced to life in prison.  

i think this story really illustrates why safe legal abortions need to be available nation-wide.   i'm not a very "pro choice" person to be honest and it's the issue where i break the biggest from the left.     ...but i do find the 100% total abortion ban pushed by the right to be more morally reprehensible than the 100% abortion on-demand pushed by the left.

Guy at the Trump rally today says he is there to “guarantee” that Trump gets back in the WH. When asked what he thinks about the globalists and RINOs it sounds like he says “kill them all.” Interviewer then says, “I agree with you.“ pic.twitter.com/ZavTMq4ITw

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 29, 2023

Guy at the Trump rally today says he is there to “guarantee” that Trump gets back in the WH. When asked what he thinks about the globalists and RINOs it sounds like he says “kill them all.” Interviewer then says, “I agree with you.“ pic.twitter.com/ZavTMq4ITw

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 29, 2023

These videos make me laugh

i think this story really illustrates why safe legal abortions need to be available nation-wide.   i'm not a very "pro choice" person to be honest and it's the issue where i break the biggest from the left.     ...but i do find the 100% total abortion ban pushed by the right to be more morally reprehensible than the 100% abortion on-demand pushed by the left.

I hate that abortion is being used as a political tool.
People that really need abortions should have no obstacles and people shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion just "because". Irritating af that we have to have these extremes of either yes or no so people have to pick a side and defend it with tribal mentality. Also odd that left is pro choice and right is pro life. Do people really agree with pro life or pro choice  or just agree because their "team" does.

Edit: thinking about it, tribal mentality isn't a better way to describe people's behaviours,  probably more group think.

Guy at the Trump rally today says he is there to “guarantee” that Trump gets back in the WH. When asked what he thinks about the globalists and RINOs it sounds like he says “kill them all.” Interviewer then says, “I agree with you.“ pic.twitter.com/ZavTMq4ITw

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) July 29, 2023

Talking of tribal mentality and group think,  here's this Franz Ferdinand using the terms RINO and globalist. What is even this news network?

I hate that abortion is being used as a political tool.
People that really need abortions should have no obstacles and people shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion just "because". Irritating af that we have to have these extremes of either yes or no so people have to pick a side and defend it with tribal mentality. Also odd that left is pro choice and right is pro life. Do people really agree with pro life or pro choice  or just agree because their "team" does.


Edit: thinking about it, tribal mentality isn't a better way to describe people's behaviours,  probably more group think.

Talking of tribal mentality and group think,  here's this Franz Ferdinand using the terms RINO and globalist. What is even this news network?

@top - when i posted the abortion thing i had a big paragraph that i wrote up and then decided not to post.   the gist:

I hate that in america at least the abortion thing all comes down to "weeks".   conservatives want that number to be 0 and liberals want that number to be whatever,.. a big one.  at least in excess of 20.  

what i hate about the conservative side is there are no exceptions.  even when there are exceptions there aren't really.  most conservative states have at must 1 abortion clinic and a bunch of other laws in place to waste your time to artificially bring down the 20 weeks to a lower number.  

my friend had an ectopic pregnancy (https://www.acog.org/womens-health/faqs/ectopic-pregnancy#:~:text=An ectopic pregnancy occurs when,can cause major internal bleeding.)  while living in Wi.   she wanted the baby, they tried for it.  it would have been her 3rd child.  but circumstances as they were she couldn't keep it without killing herself and the baby.  she still had to travel to IL to get her abortion because the laws didn't care her life was in severe danger.   she found out at her 20 week check-up which is a standard milestone for expecting mothers but then it was too late.

on the flip side,.. there's no "morality" in a baby being aborted just because it has downs syndrome.

i guess things were just more focused on the "why" and not the "when".   every women should be able to get an abortion when they need one no matter what state they live it.  but not every reason reflects a need.


@bottom -it's a network catering to far right people.   the gist is the audience for this sort of news thinks "media bias" is the news doing any sort of reporting that includes trying to understand an opposing viewpoint.   they want their media filled with bias but just their bias.  so like,.. if fox news and msnbc are considered opposite ends of the "biased news reporting" this channels is substantially further to the right than fox news.  

their are a few of these channels.  they were pretty obscure back pre-2020 but had an uptick in viewership when fox news called AZ for biden.  these networks kind of go hand-in-hand with trumps big lie that the election was stolen from him.  

100% agree on your stance with abortion.

Talking about media bias, you know my stance lol. But it's more of I hate virtually all media, not just ones that lean a certain way. I believe all mainstream media as an agenda instead of reporting true unbiased news but dang RSBN is so bad.

100% agree on your stance with abortion.

Talking about media bias, you know my stance lol. But it's more of I hate virtually all media, not just ones that lean a certain way. I believe all mainstream media as an agenda instead of reporting true unbiased news but dang RSBN is so bad.

it's not really possible to be human and totally unbiased.  that doesn't mean we can't strive to be aware of those biases and do our best to not be influenced by them.   

"mainstream media" may sometimes exhibit bias,.. but these non-mainstream media ALWAYS exhibit bias.   and facebook/twitter/whatever lives on the clicks meaning only the most biased and sensational stuff goes viral.   mainstream media is still the best way available to get to the "truth" of something happening in the world.   ...at least they are trying to find the middle or at least give time to opposing views.

I wish I could agree on everything you said. The truth is I've lost faith in the media over the last few years. I know you won't agree with me but the main turning points for me, and this may seem silly, is how the media handled the Depp/Heard trial. Having watched it live and how the media interpreted it, even to this day, was astonishing to me.

And the second is how the handled covid and how people were forced to shut up and not question it under the guise of protecting people from misinformation. The media were losing their power to control narratives and they needed labels for a reason to censor people.
I'm not an anti vaxxer, I've had all jabs, I don't think covid was released on purpose or any of that crud and I didn't originally believe the lab leak 'theory' which was labelled as misinformation and something dreamt up by conspiracy theorists. But what I don't agree with is giving anybody the power to silence people and take away voices. What a fudgy slippy slope that is and to me that's what the media does. Create narratives and attempt to silence people thay doesn't conform.

I know you and Pi disagree with me on this but I'm open to your opinions. Even private DMs on Discord. I'll be honest, I'm fed up with it all. It really does affect me on what is the truth. What to believe and who do we trust.

it's not really possible to be human and totally unbiased.  that doesn't mean we can't strive to be aware of those biases and do our best to not be influenced by them.  

"mainstream media" may sometimes exhibit bias,.. but these non-mainstream media ALWAYS exhibit bias.   and facebook/twitter/whatever lives on the clicks meaning only the most biased and sensational stuff goes viral.   mainstream media is still the best way available to get to the "truth" of something happening in the world.   ...at least they are trying to find the middle or at least give time to opposing views.

American mainstream media is all propaganda. Even if you get the "truth" sometimes it's just because the truth at that case suits their agenda, or can be bent in a way to do so

ugh,.. too many ideas to respond to.

1. i'm not on discord or anything else like that.   i'm happy to talk about things here (or another thread with a less inflammatory title) but probably not elsewhere.

2. kind of to both banana and swordfish here: i pretty much said this above but i'll restate it,.. all news media has bias.   it's inherit in being human.  there is bias not just in how you report a topic but even which topic are chosen to be reported on.   however, it's also not possible to go into a 3 hour documentary that gives the appropriate background and a truly fair level of presenting all viewpoints for the thousands of interesting things that go on in a day.   at some point there needs to be editing and the important part is that those responsible for doing editing at least want to be fair and unbiased and truthful.   this is where more mainstream media is better than alternatives because....

3. diversity in news is important if you are going to be well informed
  - for mainstream media the key is nothing goes out the door as an individual contributor.  there are peers that review everything to look for the bad stuff
  - for an individual,.. don't only have 1 source of media.   it's a bad decision (if you want to be well informed) to only watch fox news or only watch MSNBC.  consume multiple sources to get the best informed.

4. i didn't really pay any attention to the amber heard/depp trail other than to laugh at the "shitting the bed" thing.   i'll say this,.. "entertainment news" is the worst.  it's all instagram feeds and rumors, ect.   entertainment news doesn't get the kind of standards that more important news gets regardless of who's writing it.

5. Remember how in that twitter thread I said responding to your opinions is not the same as taking away your free speech?   I think you have a bit of that same problem here with covid.   no one was put in jail for their views about covid.  no one even lost their accounts or whatever.  they could say what they wanted to say but the media took great effort to see and reply to each and every misinformation out there.   that's not the same as silencing people.

...and considering the huge demand for horse tranquilizer i think it's a good thing they did.  a lot of the viral misinformations weren't just dumb,.. they were dangerous.

6. but like,.. it's not enough (for me) to just hate on main stream media.  what is the alternative?   where is a better place to get your information that's sooo unbiased?   it sure as fuk isn't social media.   

I'll reply if I get on my PC. I agree with the majority of what you said

I'll reply if I get on my PC. I agree with the majority of what you said

yeah, i saw your post last night and said to myself,.. "nope, not replying on a phone."  xD

maybe this is the wrong thread for this but i'm watching the roll-call live now and i'm just floored that it has come to this.  republicans are just a mess right now.  8 republicans have voted to oust mccarthy so as long as no democrats break he's out.

lol, someone just blurted "someone pull the fire alarm".   love that they can find humor in their humiliation...