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Title: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 11:45 AM
So this thread is where we'll confine all the comparisons and list wars to, lets keep the rest of the forum clean and keep it civil in here!
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 11:47 AM
The first video comparison someone made is pretty terrible (AC Valhalla only 1080p and not cut well), so I'm only going to link it in spoilers

Spoiler for Hidden:
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May I suggest we stick to reputable places like Digital Foundry for stuff like this?
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 11:55 AM
And here's a list wars post from me comparing new games launching with each console.

PS5 launch games not playable on xbox series (and review score so far):

- Spidey MM (85)
- Astro's Playroom (84)
- The Pathless (83)
- Bugsnax (76)
- Sackboy (tbc - great so far)
- Godfall (tbc - mixed to poor so far) *timed exclusive
- Demon's Souls (reviewers only just getting copies)

Series launch games not playable on PS5 (and review score so far):

- The Falconeer (72)
- [Tetris Effect Connected (tbc - will be amazing) *this is a multiplayer expansion of a PS4 game, PS4 version playable on PS5 through BC but multiplayer is exclusive right now]
- [Yakuza Like A Dragon (87) ** this is playable on PS5 through PS4 backwards compatibility but native version is next year]

No question that Sony knocked it out of the park here. And to think there was originally supposed to be Deathloop, Kena and Destruction All Stars while xbox was also supposed to have Halo. I think both of those losses roughly balance each other out to be honest (Halo ~= Kena+Deathloop+DAS). However, xbox really miss Halo here while Sony don't care about those three games slipping, if anything its a good thing for all parties involved.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 02:31 PM
The lack of Halo is very apparent. Maybe I'll try Falconeer. It doesn't seem like the type of game I'd care for but I'm itching for a launch game.

Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 02:40 PM
The lack of Halo is very apparent. Maybe I'll try Falconeer. It doesn't seem like the type of game I'd care for but I'm itching for a launch game.


another day and you'll have your ps5 and series x can go into the closet for the next year while you wait for a launch game..
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 02:42 PM
We have our first!




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Xbox seems to have a consistent - if very small - advantage in three of the four modes, while its inconsistency in the high frame-rate mode is puzzling to say the least.

Across a range of content tested in this mode, both consoles delivered a 100fps average. However, the average does not tell the real story. Xbox retains an advantage in cutscenes and in some gameplay content, but again, the boost is typically small. Meanwhile, in many of the gameplay areas we tested, PS5 is significantly faster and more consistent that Series X overall. It's conjecture on our part, but there is the sense that there's a graphics API bottleneck here that impacts performance on the Xbox side in some scenarios, while PS5 simply powers on.

In the meantime, the results seen here in the cross-platform comparison are fascinating. In terms of correlating on-paper specs to the actual experience on-screen, PlayStation 5 is either punching above its weight, or Xbox Series X isn't delivering on the full potential promised by a bigger silicon investment and a much more substantial memory interface. It'll be interesting to see to what extent the results seen here extend to other titles, and we'll be reporting on that as soon as other games are available.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 02:45 PM
We have our first!




Could it be that TF isn't everything?!
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 02:47 PM
another day and you'll have your ps5 and series x can go into the closet for the next year while you wait for a launch game..
lol you're not wrong outside of gamepass. I'm not planning on buying any PS5 games till next year either but I might succumb to the hype.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 03:06 PM
lol you're not wrong outside of gamepass. I'm not planning on buying any PS5 games till next year either but I might succumb to the hype.
do you have ps+?  bugsnax now and destruction all stars in january if i remember right.

i know i'm in the exact wrong thread here but do i have your (or any other vizionecker's) psn name?  since it is free a destruction all-stars team could be fun.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 11, 2020, 03:14 PM
do you have ps+?  bugsnax now and destruction all stars in january if i remember right.

i know i'm in the exact wrong thread here but do i have your (or any other vizionecker's) psn name?  since it is free a destruction all-stars team could be fun.
Yeah I have PS+. Don't know if I'll actually play bugsnax lol.

YOU MUST BE LOGGED IN TO SEE THIS CONTENT
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 11, 2020, 03:25 PM
do you have ps+?  bugsnax now and destruction all stars in january if i remember right.

i know i'm in the exact wrong thread here but do i have your (or any other vizionecker's) psn name?  since it is free a destruction all-stars team could be fun.
Destruction is Feb. My PSN name is the same as here.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 03:26 PM
Yeah I have PS+. Don't know if I'll actually play bugsnax lol.

YOU MUST BE LOGGED IN TO SEE THIS CONTENT
okay, looks like we are already friends.  ..we should create a vizioneck group though cause i didn't know that was you.  lol.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 04:53 PM
Yeah I have PS+. Don't know if I'll actually play bugsnax lol.

YOU MUST BE LOGGED IN TO SEE THIS CONTENT
I hate it when people didn't use their forum name on psn. Now I rarely remember who is who on psn lol

okay, looks like we are already friends.  ..we should create a vizioneck group though cause i didn't know that was you.  lol.
My psn name is blackpezus
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 11, 2020, 04:58 PM
I hate it when people didn't use their forum name on psn. Now I rarely remember who is who on psn lol
My psn name is blackpezus
looks like we are friends already too.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 11, 2020, 05:02 PM
looks like we are friends already too.
What's your psn

Nvm saw the other thread
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 12, 2020, 11:42 PM
Edit: link was removed
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2020, 10:11 AM
NXGamer's analysis of AC Valhalla:




TLDW: Performance almost identical, PS5 perhaps has a very slight edge.

John from DF confirms they're finding a similar result and will have a video up soon:



Very interesting. Mark Cerny, what a guy.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 13, 2020, 10:13 AM
NXGamer's analysis of AC Valhalla:




TLDW: Performance almost identical, PS5 perhaps has a very slight edge.

John from DF confirms they're finding a similar result and will have a video up soon:


itter.com

And AC even has an Xbox marketing deal hm

I wonder how cod will turn out, probably the reverse lol
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2020, 10:16 AM
And AC even has an Xbox marketing deal hm

I wonder how cod will turn out, probably the reverse lol
People think perhaps this wasn't optimised well due to late arriving Series X dev kits.

It is odd though, Series X was supposed to be ahead with third parties that don't optimise well due to raw GPU strength then PS5 was supposed to catch up with full optimisation. This isn't what we're seeing thus far.

COD seems like its better on PS5 no matter what due to the glowing impressions of using the DualSense with it.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Nov 13, 2020, 04:41 PM
It probably because the xbox is barley more poweful. Its like mega pixels in a camera. You'll need a lot more between two cameras to notice a difference. 1 isn't going to show.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 16, 2020, 12:23 AM



Both perform almost identically, with PS5 having a slight edge in 120fps mode.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 16, 2020, 12:34 AM
Matt on Era:

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1) It's early in the gen on brand new hardware, it will take time for devs to get fully up to speed
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2) The PS5 dev tools are simply better and more mature right now
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3) It turns out Sony wasn't lying about "fast and narrow" having some benefits over "wide and slow"
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Ultimatly the machines are very close to each other, and that's the best possible outcome.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 16, 2020, 12:51 AM
It is kinda fun having both systems near identical so far. Way too many people blindly assumed series x would be way better than PS5, ala PS4 vs One or One X vs PS4 Pro.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 16, 2020, 01:17 AM
Matt on Era:

Shocker

Raw power isn't everything. Sony has Cerny
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 04:05 PM
DF's Valhalla video



Series S:

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but the key cutback here [compared to flagship consoles] is a drop from 60fps down to 30fps, firmly pegging it with last-gen versions of the game. Not only that, dynamic resolution is rather elastic, operating from 1188p to around 1656p, often settling at 1296p, lower than Series X, and also delivering reductions in shadow resolution, alongside pulled in level of detail settings for trees and terrain.
PS5 and Series X:
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Both of the premium next generation consoles also use a dynamic resolution scaling system. The lowest measured pixel count is 1440p (67 per cent of native 4K on either axis) while the maximum is 1728p (80 per cent native) and in almost all scenarios
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While there are problems on both systems, Xbox Series X obviously fares worse
However, the key takeaway is that PlayStation 5 is much closer to the 60fps target more of the time, while Xbox Series X can struggle. In fact, at its worst, we noted PS5 delivering a 15 per cent performance advantage over its Microsoft equivalent in identical scenarios
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 18, 2020, 04:13 PM
DF's Valhalla video



Series S:
PS5 and Series X:However, the key takeaway is that PlayStation 5 is much closer to the 60fps target more of the time, while Xbox Series X can struggle. In fact, at its worst, we noted PS5 delivering a 15 per cent performance advantage over its Microsoft equivalent in identical scenarios

XSS is most shocking. It was supposed to run at similar framerate. I wonder why they didn't set the max res at 1440p for that version though.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 04:17 PM
XSS is most shocking. It was supposed to run at similar framerate. I wonder why they didn't set the max res at 1440p for that version though.
Yes very odd, if it was 1440p it would be much more stable and would perhaps lose fewer features. It would still only be 30fps though. AAA games are not going to be 1440p 60fps on Series S basically ever. Also exactly as expected, Microsoft were borderline faslely advertising Series S, suggesting it had 1440p, 120fps and ray-tracing when you can only get one of those things at once. 1440p 30 (or upscaled to 4K 30) or 1080p 30 with a smidge of RT is probably what we'll see.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 18, 2020, 04:26 PM
Yes very odd, if it was 1440p it would be much more stable and would perhaps lose fewer features. It would still only be 30fps though. AAA games are not going to be 1440p 60fps on Series S basically ever. Also exactly as expected, Microsoft were borderline faslely advertising Series S, suggesting it had 1440p, 120fps and ray-tracing when you can only get one of those things at once. 1440p 30 (or upscaled to 4K 30) or 1080p 30 with a smidge of RT is probably what we'll see.
How is CoD on it? 1080p60?
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 04:33 PM
How is CoD on it? 1080p60?
Series S uses a horizontal reconstruction technique for a dynamic 1440p60, so is mostly not at 1440p native, and it also drops below 60 a lot of the time. That's compared to PS5 and Series X 60fps modes which are essentially locked at dynamic 4K plus raytracing.

Like I said, I don't think native 1440p60 is something the Series S can manage for big AAA games.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 18, 2020, 04:36 PM
Good thing we had almost a year of panic, concerns and fanboy wars on forums like Resetera for games to end up looking almost the same.  ;D

And I'm gonna refrain from laughing at all the clowns who were "concerned" when Ubisoft didn't put "native 4K at 60fps" or whatever in their description for the PS5 version of this game while they did for the Xbox Series X.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 18, 2020, 04:56 PM
i'm loving these early comparison as a someday ps5 owner.   


not that i expect i'll ever get an xbox but if i did series s just isn't cutting it for me.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 05:03 PM
i'm loving these early comparison as a someday ps5 owner.   


not that i expect i'll ever get an xbox but if i did series s just isn't cutting it for me.
So far Series S has proved 100% pointless. It barely performs better than last gen consoles and xbox has no exclusive next gen games yet.

I feel vindicated in saying straight away since series S was announced that I worry its not going to be good and let people down. MS hit it out of the park with their advertising of it and it looked like its going to sell bucket loads, but then we saw the actual specs of it and yeah its not great is it. MS almost got away with some borderline false advertising with series S and it almost feels good to see it struggle right from the off.

Sony's approach is the best one for all involved. The digital PS5 is much better value for money and is much more future proofed with a better feature set. People who get a series S could be seriously burned in a few years time I feel.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 18, 2020, 05:24 PM
DF's Valhalla video



Series S:
PS5 and Series X:However, the key takeaway is that PlayStation 5 is much closer to the 60fps target more of the time, while Xbox Series X can struggle. In fact, at its worst, we noted PS5 delivering a 15 per cent performance advantage over its Microsoft equivalent in identical scenarios

XSX also a lot more tearing and occasionally lower res. Really a huge difference here when considering the specs
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: nnodley on Nov 18, 2020, 06:06 PM
Wait wasn't series x suppose to be native 4K?

And ps5?  So they are both dynamic 4k
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 18, 2020, 06:18 PM
Wait wasn't series x suppose to be native 4K?

And ps5?  So they are both dynamic 4k
It is up to 4K.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 18, 2020, 06:27 PM
Wait wasn't series x suppose to be native 4K?

And ps5?  So they are both dynamic 4k
I mean it's up to the devs as always. They'd have to reduce quality and/or framerate to reach native 4k always. I think checkerboarding/dynamic 4k with solid 60fps is the better choice than 4k30fps
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 07:16 PM
Wait wasn't series x suppose to be native 4K?

And ps5?  So they are both dynamic 4k
Yeah that was a mistake to add it to the Series X description from Ubisoft, which is the reason they removed it. Of course, the theory from certain types of people was that it was actually true and SX was native 4K while PS5 wasn't and Ubisoft were just covering their asses. Now we know.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 09:52 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/digital-foundry-assassins-creed-valhalla-ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-series-s-next-gen-comparison.328679/post-51908138

DF guy clarified that he means PS5 performs better than XSX by 15% on average, not at the extreme. Its not a huge difference, a lot of players won't notice 15% and its less than the start of last gen. but its quite a big swing from the expected (more like XSX should be 15% better).
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 10:11 PM
Also gonna update this because why not.


PS5 launch games not playable on series (and review score so far):

- Demon's Souls (92)
- Spidey MM (85)
- Astro's Playroom (84)
- The Pathless (80)
- Sackboy (78)
- Bugsnax (76)
- Godfall (61) *timed exclusive

Series launch games not playable on PS5 (and review score so far):

- The Falconeer (69)
- [Tetris Effect Connected (87) *this is a timed exclusive multiplayer expansion of a PS4 game, PS4 version playable on PS5 through BC but multiplayer is exclusive right now]
- [Yakuza Like A Dragon (85) **timed exclusive-ly not on PS5- this is playable on PS5 through PS4 backwards compatibility but native version is next year]

Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 18, 2020, 10:26 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/digital-foundry-assassins-creed-valhalla-ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-series-s-next-gen-comparison.328679/post-51908138

DF guy clarified that he means PS5 performs better than XSX by 15% on average, not at the extreme. Its not a huge difference, a lot of players won't notice 15% and its less than the start of last gen. but its quite a big swing from the expected (more like XSX should be 15% better).
That's a huge difference from a tech point of view. No player should care, but it's not just a frame here or there like other games.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 18, 2020, 10:31 PM
That's a huge difference from a tech point of view. No player should care, but it's not just a frame here or there like other games.
Yeah it is. Here's his tweet for more detail:



So if PS5 wasn't hitting that 60fps cap constantly it would actually be a bigger than 15% difference, wow.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 18, 2020, 10:55 PM
That gap is absurd.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Nov 21, 2020, 04:54 PM
Digital Foundry Dirt 5 Series X/S and PS5 comparison.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 23, 2020, 12:42 AM
It's kinda crazy how PS5 is building its image as the stronger system. There have been so many fanboys worried about PS5 holding next gen back, and now other fanboys could (wrongly) claim the same thing about Series X.

Real loser is series s. It's a great system only for a few edge cases. For most people it's better to get a full next gen console or keep enjoying current gen for a few years.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 23, 2020, 01:00 AM
It's kinda crazy how PS5 is building its image as the stronger system. There have been so many fanboys worried about PS5 holding next gen back, and now other fanboys could (wrongly) claim the same thing about Series X.

Real loser is series s. It's a great system only for a few edge cases. For most people it's better to get a full next gen console or keep enjoying current gen for a few years.

the real loser is series x and ps5.  series s is going to drag the entire generation down. 
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 23, 2020, 04:43 AM
It's kinda crazy how PS5 is building its image as the stronger system. There have been so many fanboys worried about PS5 holding next gen back, and now other fanboys could (wrongly) claim the same thing about Series X.
I haven't seen the narrative change per se, but people are wondering what's going on.  Not quite at the concern point yet, I don't think.

Still it's crazy to see.  Basically starting off this gen with the opposite performance expected.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 23, 2020, 04:52 AM
I haven't seen the narrative change per se, but people are wondering what's going on.  Not quite at the concern point yet, I don't think.

Still it's crazy to see.  Basically starting off this gen with the opposite performance expected.
1. the difference between ps5 and series x is a smaller % then last gen

2. ps5 is optimized for 1 platform while xbox is trying to cross 3 platforms.  

i dunno that i though ps5 was going to beat series x in these comparisions but i never believed the performance would be significantly different.  which for the record,.. series x is doing just fine.  these performance differences are not something i could spot during gameplay.

...but i think their might be something to this "fast and narrow thing".  in some ways i'm not even sure it's about having more power so much as consistent power.  it's probably easier to optimize for a platform that is very consistent compared to one that can have big changes.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 23, 2020, 04:59 AM
the real loser is series x and ps5.  series s is going to drag the entire generation down.
I don't think it'll hold things back too badly. My expectation is that for the few games that push things forward, companies will skip S if it sells poorly or make "dedicated" versions with modified components. Maybe Series S will have less npcs, that sort of thing.

I haven't seen the narrative change per se, but people are wondering what's going on.  Not quite at the concern point yet, I don't think.

Still it's crazy to see.  Basically starting off this gen with the opposite performance expected.
Memes from Era

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3EyKiEIZWm9lGCEL8u/giphy.gif)

(https://linkpicture.com/q/20201122_000935.jpg)

Ps fans are at least going with it.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 23, 2020, 09:19 PM


Haven't watched yet.

PS5: slightly better in 120 fps mode.  
XSX: slightly better in RT/60 fps mode.  

Interesting.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>(https://i.imgur.com/NXCtIah.png)<br><br>

As you can see here the XSS mode is basically the same as the XSX with a lower resolution, just like promised. /s


Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Nov 23, 2020, 09:51 PM


Haven't watched yet.

PS5: slightly better in 120 fps mode.  
XSX: slightly better in RT/60 fps mode.  

Interesting.

Spoiler for Hidden:

(https://i.imgur.com/NXCtIah.png)


As you can see here the XSS mode is basically the same as the XSX with a lower resolution, just like promised. /s



Yeah the Series S is the real loser in all these. Its the start of the gen and mostly cross gen games and its already struggling and not meeting its promise. Next gen only games are gonna be pretty ugly for it.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: BananaKing on Nov 23, 2020, 11:08 PM
Wow. Who would have thought a 4tf machine would struggle to do next gen performance. And this is with these games being cross gen. 2022 and onwards series S is gonna struggle big time.

I said it a billion times. But imagine a 4tf machine in 2026 or 2027, its underpowered. The ps5 and xsx will be underpowered by then, imagine the series S.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 25, 2020, 06:30 PM
PS5 vs. Xbox Series X: why is the PS5 outperforming the next-gen Xbox? - The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/21718936/xbox-series-x-ps5-performance-game-comparison)
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 25, 2020, 07:13 PM
PS5 vs. Xbox Series X: why is the PS5 outperforming the next-gen Xbox? - The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/21718936/xbox-series-x-ps5-performance-game-comparison)
i had though about posting that but then i read the article and realised it doesn't say anything.   clickbait as far as i'm concerned.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Nov 25, 2020, 07:48 PM
i had though about posting that but then i read the article and realised it doesn't say anything.   clickbait as far as i'm concerned.
It has a quote from Microsoft.

"We are aware of performance issues in a handful of optimized titles on Xbox Series X|S and are actively working with our partners to identify and resolve the issues to ensure an optimal experience," says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. "As we begin a new console generation, our partners are just now scratching the surface of what next-gen consoles can do and minor bug fixes are expected as they learn how to take full advantage of our new platform. We are eager to continue working with developers to further explore the capability of Xbox Series X|S in the future."


Outside of that, yeah it's mostly just a recap of internet gossip. Doesn't fully match my understanding of the situation, but it's kinda close enough. Series X=~PS5 outside of a few minor bugs that will be less common going forward.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 25, 2020, 07:51 PM
It has a quote from Microsoft.

"We are aware of performance issues in a handful of optimized titles on Xbox Series X|S and are actively working with our partners to identify and resolve the issues to ensure an optimal experience," says a Microsoft spokesperson in a statement to The Verge. "As we begin a new console generation, our partners are just now scratching the surface of what next-gen consoles can do and minor bug fixes are expected as they learn how to take full advantage of our new platform. We are eager to continue working with developers to further explore the capability of Xbox Series X|S in the future."


Outside of that, yeah it's mostly just a recap of internet gossip. Doesn't fully match my understanding of the situation, but it's kinda close enough. Series X=~PS5 outside of a few minor bugs that will be less common going forward.
i agree that  X ~= ps5.   i'm certain we'll continue to see differences when measured by DF but i'm also certain that the differences are too small for me to be able to identify them during gameplay.  

series s however is a festering pile of dog poo already.   i don't even want to venture how bad it will be in 5 years.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Nov 26, 2020, 11:52 PM
DF Watchdog Legion PS5, Series X/S comparison.
PS5 and X basically the same with PS5 having faster loading times. The S image quality not great, has RT but lower quality that the PS5 and X and performs at around 900p.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Nov 29, 2020, 07:27 PM
Assassin's Creed patched to solve Series X performance issues. Now bottoms out at a lower resolution than PS5 to run the same. Series S now has a performance mode that runs at 60fps but has to run at 720p to hit the framerate.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 29, 2020, 08:12 PM
Assassin's Creed patched to solve Series X performance issues. Now bottoms out at a lower resolution than PS5 to run the same. Series S now has a performance mode that runs at 60fps but has to run at 720p to hit the framerate.

Well I guess that's better but didn't change the power differential. Series S is woeful tbh
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: nnodley on Nov 29, 2020, 10:29 PM
So the series X still performs worse its just not in framerate now.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Nov 30, 2020, 12:02 AM
So the series X still performs worse its just not in framerate now.

On par with PS5 on framerate but had to drop to a lower resolution than PS5 to achieve it. Before it could only bottom out at 1440p but that wasn't enough to stop screen tearing and framerate dips. The patch allows it to go below 1440p.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Nov 30, 2020, 04:42 AM
On par with PS5 on framerate but had to drop to a lower resolution than PS5 to achieve it. Before it could only bottom out at 1440p but that wasn't enough to stop screen tearing and framerate dips. The patch allows it to go below 1440p.
so not so much as a fix as a re-prioritization..
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Nov 30, 2020, 10:38 AM
so not so much as a fix as a re-prioritization..
Pretty much
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 01, 2020, 09:03 PM


PS5 better shadows, more grass density, faster loading
Both X and 5 have a few slight fps drops but mostly locked 60fps in resolution mode. Series S actually has smaller fps drops but more resolution drops.

Performance mode is unstable as hell it seems. Frequent drops to 100fps and even lower. Series X seems to slightly more stable fps in performance mode.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Dec 04, 2020, 02:50 PM


Someone on Era made a nice TLDW:



And here's a TLDR for this since this is a fudge load of bullet points:



Sounds like this is the best cross gen game in terms of performance and graphics.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 04, 2020, 03:23 PM
>PS4 PRO(and probably the same for XONEX) also runs ate Native 4K, but with the obvious current-gen graphical settings.
XSS is native 1080P with the same graphical setting as XSX/PS5, but with some scenes missing Depth of Field, U.I is also 1080P.

Funny distinction.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 04, 2020, 04:53 PM
>PS4 PRO(and probably the same for XONEX) also runs ate Native 4K, but with the obvious current-gen graphical settings.
XSS is native 1080P with the same graphical setting as XSX/PS5, but with some scenes missing Depth of Field, U.I is also 1080P.

Funny distinction.
So next gen console with the massively lower res (and still lower than promised) and despite missing effects from ps5/XSX...
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: darkknightkryta on Dec 04, 2020, 05:13 PM
While I'm assuming the Series S was supposed to replace the entirety of the Xbox One line, they really should have just re-engineered the One X to use next gen effects instead (And release it as series S).
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Dec 04, 2020, 05:27 PM
So next gen console with the massively lower res (and still lower than promised) and despite missing effects from ps5/XSX...
That's a fair bit of spin to be honest.

Series S is playing the next gen version of the games at locked 1080p 60, which is the best that most people have with their displays anyway. I think its performance with this game is a perfect example of the S's strengths and why its a desirable product to some. The only thing its missing from the PS5/XSX versions is some depth of field in some shots, which could be a bug. Sure its not 1440p but like I said most people still have 1080p TVs, and its a huge upgrade from the base consoles of last gen.

This is the S's best showing so far for sure.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Dec 04, 2020, 05:39 PM
That's a fair bit of spin to be honest.

Series S is playing the next gen version of the games at locked 1080p 60, which is the best that most people have with their displays anyway. I think its performance with this game is a perfect example of the S's strengths and why its a desirable product to some. The only thing its missing from the PS5/XSX versions is some depth of field in some shots, which could be a bug. Sure its not 1440p but like I said most people still have 1080p TVs, and its a huge upgrade from the base consoles of last gen.

This is the S's best showing so far for sure.
It's not spin, just the truth. I mean, it's alright but still not the 1440p but same effects machine that it was sold as
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 04, 2020, 05:40 PM
While I'm assuming the Series S was supposed to replace the entirety of the Xbox One line, they really should have just re-engineered the One X to use next gen effects instead (And release it as series S).
I'm very confused by this comment.

If you're talking about the resolution difference between the XOX and XSS versions, it makes perfect sense.  People bought the XOX for their 4KTV. People are buying the XSS because they don't care to play at 4K/don't have a 4KTV yet.

If you're talking about the hardware itself, the XSS is basically the console it needs to be.  A modified XOX would be worthless in 2 years. The XSS is probably cheaper to make and it'll run next gen games much better in the long term.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Dec 04, 2020, 05:49 PM
It's not spin, just the truth. I mean, it's alright but still not the 1440p but same effects machine that it was sold as
Well I agree, it's once again making it look like Xbox have basically used false advertising for Series S. 1440p, 120fps, ray-tracing all next to each other continues to be extremely misleading.

However like I said this is actually a great showing for series S, this is what most people want out of it. As people move on to better displays in the coming years it'll be less desirable though.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: darkknightkryta on Dec 05, 2020, 06:06 PM
I'm very confused by this comment.

If you're talking about the resolution difference between the XOX and XSS versions, it makes perfect sense.  People bought the XOX for their 4KTV. People are buying the XSS because they don't care to play at 4K/don't have a 4KTV yet.

If you're talking about the hardware itself, the XSS is basically the console it needs to be.  A modified XOX would be worthless in 2 years. The XSS is probably cheaper to make and it'll run next gen games much better in the long term.
I'm saying the Series S should have been as powerful as a One X but with its modern feature set.
An analogy would be a 3DS, sure it had updated graphics features, but at the same time it was weaker than a PS2.  It's how you got the borderline bad port of Xenoblade.  The series S should be able to take any Series X game, reduce the resolution to 1080p, and run it identically to how the Series X has to.  That extra grunt that the One X has with the Series S's updated architecture would be able to do this.  Instead you have devs having to chop games down to run on it.  What do you think is going to happen in a few years?  Especially as the price of the Series X comes down?
While Microsoft can replace the Xbox One line still easily, you're still left with this weird Series S console that needs to be replaced in a few years since it won't be able to keep up with its big brother.  Devs are going to have to be creating borderline last gen games just to keep them running on the series S.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 05, 2020, 07:09 PM
I'm saying the Series S should have been as powerful as a One X but with its modern feature set.
An analogy would be a 3DS, sure it had updated graphics features, but at the same time it was weaker than a PS2.  It's how you got the borderline bad port of Xenoblade.  The series S should be able to take any Series X game, reduce the resolution to 1080p, and run it identically to how the Series X has to.  That extra grunt that the One X has with the Series S's updated architecture would be able to do this.  Instead you have devs having to chop games down to run on it.  What do you think is going to happen in a few years?  Especially as the price of the Series X comes down?
While Microsoft can replace the Xbox One line still easily, you're still left with this weird Series S console that needs to be replaced in a few years since it won't be able to keep up with its big brother.  Devs are going to have to be creating borderline last gen games just to keep them running on the series S.
That's a weird take on this game, because that's essentially what it's doing.  It is running 1080p at near XSX settings.

The XSS has more grunt than the XOX, it just is distributed in different ways.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Dec 05, 2020, 07:10 PM
I'm saying the Series S should have been as powerful as a One X but with its modern feature set.
An analogy would be a 3DS, sure it had updated graphics features, but at the same time it was weaker than a PS2.  It's how you got the borderline bad port of Xenoblade.  The series S should be able to take any Series X game, reduce the resolution to 1080p, and run it identically to how the Series X has to. That extra grunt that the One X has with the Series S's updated architecture would be able to do this.  Instead you have devs having to chop games down to run on it.  What do you think is going to happen in a few years?  Especially as the price of the Series X comes down?
While Microsoft can replace the Xbox One line still easily, you're still left with this weird Series S console that needs to be replaced in a few years since it won't be able to keep up with its big brother.  Devs are going to have to be creating borderline last gen games just to keep them running on the series S.
It literally is. It lacks in GPU and RAM but has a vastly better CPU, and overall they roughly balance out.

Again that's basically what we're seeing. NBA 2K is a perfect example of series S doing exactly that.

I've been the first person to criticise the Series S, but you've clearly not seen its actual specs or something like that. Your "what they should have done" is pretty much describing the Series S.

The problem is that a lot of games aren't running 4K on PS5/XSX, they're running dynamic and way under 4K. So Series S equivalent version runs dynamic sub-1080p and sometimes has to sacrifice features for the resolution to stay high enough. That's always going to happen when devs are pushing the flagship consoles to their limits, when the X and PS5 are dropping to 1440p, the S was never going to have any hope of reaching 1080p. Its a tricky situation for devs, and it will lead to a lot of scale backs and treating S like an after-thought, simply turning features off to get it to work. That's what we expected, and the S would have to be much more powerful in terms of raw numbers than the One X to avoid this.

And you're right about the second half, in a few years the S will be redundant and everyone who bought it will be unhappy, but that's what you get for buying budget products I suppose. There's no easy fix with the S. Its a budget product, you get budget next gen performance with it. With some games it will run the full flagship version at 1080p 60, but these are probably not graphical showcases anyway, with many games it will really struggle and have features cut. But that's what S buyers are signing up for, and what xbox are doing their best to hide with borderline false-advertising.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 20, 2021, 10:39 PM
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Native 4K/60fps on Series X. One of the cleanest games they've seen.
1800p/60fps on PS5
1080p/60fps on Series S.
Series X has Ultra Textures and High Shadows.
PS5 has Ultra Textures and Medium Shadows.
Series S has High Textures and Low Shadows.
Framerate is close to perfect on all platforms, with a few exceptions.
Load times are virtually identical on all next-gen platforms, with PS5 typically coming in about 1/2 a second faster.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/digital-foundry-hitman-3-ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-s-comparison-an-xbox-advantage-at-4k.364871/

Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Jan 20, 2021, 11:08 PM
First game with a significant advantage for Series X?
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 20, 2021, 11:25 PM
First game with a significant advantage for Series X?
Pretty much.
The gap is bigger than the specs because the PS5 version is rendering lower.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on Jan 21, 2021, 12:01 AM
Seems like its the first time a game has performed about where you'd expect given the paper specs. Perhaps PS5 could be pushed a bit higher and still be locked at 60fps, but its close.

Native 4K is a bit of a waste, as has been said a lot. I can't tell the difference in resolution in any of the native PS5 games I've played that range all the way from 1440p to 4K.

The gaps between PS5 and XSX have been pretty much non-existent in every game. It only is noticeable when it involves bad frame drops, screen tearing and stuff like that.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on Jan 21, 2021, 12:50 AM
yep
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 15, 2021, 10:57 PM
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/775476371815268362/832385907402997800/sMwivxx.png?width=996&height=675)

Resident Evil Village | CAPCOM (https://www.residentevil.com/village/us/topics/demo/)


Resident Evil Village

4K @ 45 w/ RT.  

Why would anyone target 45 fps?  
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Apr 15, 2021, 11:39 PM
I think gow 3 was unlocked and ran around 45 fps most of the time.

Not sure if capcom are meaning that.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 02, 2021, 05:24 PM
(https://abload.de/img/123y9jw1.png)

Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on May 02, 2021, 05:29 PM
Not sure why you'd bother with RT on series S
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Xevross on May 25, 2021, 09:51 AM
Here's something interesting, another aspect of it, from this reddit post: PS5 Game Size Comparison : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/nkewpx/ps5_game_size_comparison/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

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Control: 25.7 vs 43.6
Hitman 3: 61.9 vs 77.8
Subnautica: 3.8 vs 8.3
Crash 4: 20.0 vs 28.0
Tony Hawk: 23.3 vs 31.9
Marvel's Avengers: 74.1 vs 116.6
AC Valhalla: 41.8 vs 72.5
Watch Dogs Legion: 50.6 vs 61.1
Immortals Fenyx Rising: 22.3 vs 32.9
Borderlands 3: 51.1 vs 63.8
Dirt 5: 50.9 vs 63.3
Mortal Shell: 4.6 vs 8.6

What I found interesting to note was, if you were to install all of these games on both consoles (Total 430.1 vs 608.4) you'd have 236.9GB remaining on PS5 and only 193.6GB remaining on Series X.
PS5 has 17% less storage space than Series X, which was made somewhat a big deal of last year. From this sample, PS5 games are about 30% lower install sizes than Series X games, so actually currently Sony are doing better with storage space on next gen games.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on May 25, 2021, 02:31 PM
Wonder how much of that is better compression and how much is bloat. Avengers must have something else going on.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: kitler53 on May 25, 2021, 04:02 PM
Here's something interesting, another aspect of it, from this reddit post: PS5 Game Size Comparison : PS5 (https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/nkewpx/ps5_game_size_comparison/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)

PS5 has 17% less storage space than Series X, which was made somewhat a big deal of last year. From this sample, PS5 games are about 30% lower install sizes than Series X games, so actually currently Sony are doing better with storage space on next gen games.
was actually pleasantly surprised at how many games i got on my ps5 when i set it up.  i didn't dig much into the numbers but i downloaded what felt like waaay more than i had on my ps4 and was then surprised to find i had almost half of my harddrive still free.

...i don't play CoD
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 02, 2021, 12:11 AM
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TL;DW

- Biggest improvement is load times. Native PS5 app: 2.65 seconds, 15 seconds on PS4 app via BC.
- PS5: 2.65 Seconds, Series X: 4.2, Series S: 4.5 seconds

- Series S gains a resolution boost to dynamic 1440p, an upgrade over the original 1080p codebase.
- Scales only Horizontally. 17xxp to 2560 x 1440p.

- Series X: Dynamic 4K. Lowest noted 2560x2160 in taxing moments with GPU sapping effects.
- Previously with 60 FPS mod/boost ran with fixed 4K.
- You may see moments now where it may run softer but hard pressed to spot in practice.

- PS5 runs with fixed 4K same as before. Not much different in scaling now vs previously with FPS mods.
- Dreaded 400% zoom can show difference in clarity between PS5 and SX in some places where SX scales dynamically vs PS5´s static 4K.

- PS5´s native 4K can cause drops to high 40s / low 50s in stress areas (dragon fights) same as before
- Outside of these areas, it runs with barely any drops.
- Anniversary update also effects PS4 version of the app, you get 60 FPS without needing mods there too.
- No haptic feedback or adaptive trigger updates unfortunately.

- Series consoles get a more obvious improvement FPS upgrade over boost/mods.
- Series X Example of dragon appearance drops to 40 FPS before now only has a quck few frame drop to mid 50s.
- Much like PS5, no issues/drops outside of stress areas.

- Series S has same ballpark performance in stress areas as before.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/digital-foundry-skyrim-anniversary-edition-ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-s-upgrades-tested.522204/#post-77977971

PS5 faster load times
PS5 dynamic framerate vs Series X dynamic resolution.  :P
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: Legend on Dec 02, 2021, 03:08 AM
What ever happened to no load times? 2.6 seconds is fast but a lot longer than a blink.
Title: Re: Xbox Series and PS5 Games Comparisons
Post by: the-pi-guy on Dec 02, 2021, 03:18 AM
What ever happened to no load times? 2.6 seconds is fast but a lot longer than a blink.
Devs are still trying to figure out the PS5 SSD.  8)

/s
I'd be curious of the cause though.

Apparently a lot of engines have loading inefficiencies because it's figured that the HDD will take a while no matter what.