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BREAKING: Elon Musk has taken a 9.2% passive stake in Twitter, Bloomberg News reports https://t.co/qcG7Sq4fGT pic.twitter.com/WFGxQGN7UY

— Bloomberg (@business) April 4, 2022

Elon Musk has taken a 9.2% stake in Twitter Inc. to become the platform's biggest shareholder, a week after hinting he might shake up the social media industry.

Twitter shares surged about 26% in premarket trading after the regulatory filing released Monday detailing Musk buying the holding. The stake is worth about $2.89 billion, based on Friday's market close.

As weird as some of the things elon does.  This would likely make twitter better overall.  The censorship is absolutely outrageous on it right now.

Let me add yes there is some things that need to be taken down but having a difference of opinion doesn't always warrant censorship.

I agree. The only things that should ever be censored are things that are illegal like pedophilia for example. If ifs like Facebook and it doesn't want nude/adult content on there i can understand that too.

I dont use twitter though, so whats the issue with their censorship?

That is so much cash. How can he afford it without selling a huge amount of Tesla or SpaceX shares?

Seems like a massive mistake with the current info.

Perhaps a loan or other people partnering with him?

Yeah private companies can still have stock, so maybe once it's private he plans to have a limited stake or something. Sell twitter shares to pay back most of a loan or give twitter shares to partners.


It just doesn't seem worth the price though. What changes does he want that he couldn't have made with 9% and a board seat?

He declined the board seat, because it required a background check.  

That's probably the issue.  

I doubt that's the issue. Why would a background check matter? Plus with Musk being so famous, I doubt a background check could find anything that journalists haven't already found.

"We announced on Tuesday that Elon would be appointed to the board contingent on a background check and formal acceptance. Elon's appointment to the board became officially effective 4/9, but Elon shared that same morning that he will no longer be joining the board. I believe this is for the best. We have and will always value input from our shareholders, whether they are on our board or not. Elon is our biggest shareholder and we will remain open to his input," the statement also said.

[SEND VIA TEXT]
As I indicated this weekend, I believe that the company should be private to go through the changes that need to be made.

After the past several days of thinking this over, I have decided I want to acquire the company and take it private.

I am going to send you an offer letter tonight, it will be public in the morning.

Are you available to chat?


[VOICE SCRIPT]
1. Best and Final:
a. I am not playing the back-and-forth game.
b. I have moved straight to the end.
c. It's a high price and your shareholders will love it.
d. If the deal doesn't work, given that I don't have confidence in management nor do I believe I can drive the necessary change in the public market, I would need to reconsider my position as a shareholder.
i. This is not a threat, it's simply not a good investment without the changes that need to be made.
ii. And those changes won't happen without taking the company private.

2. My advisors and my team are available after you get the letter to answer any questions
a. There will be more detail in our public filings. After you receive the letter and review the public filings, your team can call my family office with any questions.

It is odd.
But it sounded like it was only contingent on the background check and an acceptance.

Elon Musk abruptly reverses plan to join Twitter board amid "background check"  | Salon.com (https://www.salon.com/2022/04/11/elon-musk-abruptly-reverses-plan-to-join-twitter-board-amid-background-check-_partner/)

elon is shady as hell.  i'm sure he's done some bad stuff alone the way.  especially financial crimes.  hell, his whole take over bid seems like a clear pump and dump to me.

Elon Musk says that Twitter's algorithm should be open source | Engadget (https://www.engadget.com/elon-musk-twitter-ted-181607962.html)

Open sourcing algorithms would be amazing. I don't know much about twitter specifics, but on youtube the algorithms literally create videos and genres (like the creepy elsa and other kid characters being pregnant ones). Having things open source doesn't directly solve problems but it can help get more minds thinking about solutions.

or exploits.  lets face it,.. those seeking to exploit the algorithms for political gain stand to gain the most.  one more step towards the end of demacracy imo.

Wow. This could change a lot of things.

BREAKING: Elon Musk buys Twitter

— BNO News (@BNONews) April 25, 2022

BREAKING: Elon Musk buys Twitter

— BNO News (@BNONews) April 25, 2022

So did he actually have 43 billion in cash?

How did he end up paying for this?

Musk threatens to walk away from Twitter deal (https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-inc-spacex-technology-c371e7682d490b637fb6031d1f7e5d87)



I don't know if i've seen an acquisition with so much drama.

Musk threatens to walk away from Twitter deal (https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-inc-spacex-technology-c371e7682d490b637fb6031d1f7e5d87)



I don't know if i've seen an acquisition with so much drama.

BREAKING: Elon Musk says he is terminating his $44 billion Twitter deal https://t.co/X1qiGld4bM pic.twitter.com/6gTTyn6yFV

— Reuters (@Reuters) July 8, 2022

Hopefully he doesn't move on to starting his own platform.

He's had trouble securing funding and basically has buyers remorse.  

He has a contract with twitter under what conditions he can back out.   I've read into it a lot and tbh Elon is probably screwed here.  Twitter will sue to enforce the contract and Elon will have to prove his exit conditions were met.   He's trying to proclaim the numbers around "fake accounts" is his reason.  If that is his legal strategy he is beyond fukt as it won't hold up in court.

If he can actually prove the number of fake accounts is significantly wrong, that'd be a slam dunk in court. That'd break the merger agreement in multiple ways.

However it seems his primary legal strategy is that Twitter failed to provide him with requested data in a reasonable manner. Musk's lawyers have been perusing this avenue since at least June 6.

no it's not.  musk signed a legal document waiving his DD.  these pretext might win in the court of public opinion but not in court.

...and it doesn't even make sense as he stated early on that he was buying in order to address the bot problem.

What the heck do you think due diligence means? It's irrelevant once the merger agreement is signed. All that matters is if the merger agreement gives Musk a right to terminate the agreement or if the agreement itself is invalid.


Yeah it's highly highly likely he just wants to terminate the agreement because it's a bad deal for him, and these are legal excuses potentially enabling that.

the contract limits the reasons that musk can terminate the contract.  reight noe musk has not shown any of those conditions have been met. 

i met with my lawyer last night and this was a topic of conversation.  he agrees,.. musk has little to no legal ground to terminate the contract.

Which again has nothing to do with due diligence.

Right now Musk's legal team is arguing several conditions have been met. Twitter failed to provide requested data in a reasonable manner, Twitter failed to continue business in an ordinary course, etc. Most of those will be pretty difficult to prove in court but they're all potential avenues for terminating the agreement.

the "data" Twitter failed to provide wasn't provided because Twitter was legally required to not disclose it.  

what is your argument here?!?

I'm saying legally twitter is in the extremely favorable position over musk.  if this is settled in court these agreements are almost never overturned.  from what I've read it has only happened once in the last 20 years.  the best case scenario musk actually has here is he convinces Twitter to let him out in exchange for 1-10 billion dollars.

As anticipated, Twitter sues.

"Musk apparently believes that he  — unlike every other party subject to Delaware contract law — is free to change his mind, trash the company, disrupt its operations, destroy stockholder value, and walk away." pic.twitter.com/BlpkynA2TZ

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) July 12, 2022

As anticipated, Twitter sues.

"Musk apparently believes that he  — unlike every other party subject to Delaware contract law — is free to change his mind, trash the company, disrupt its operations, destroy stockholder value, and walk away." pic.twitter.com/BlpkynA2TZ

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) July 12, 2022

Act I: Elon takes Twitter out for dinner
Act II: Elon proposes
Act III: Twitter accepts
Act IV: Elon has second thoughts.
Act V: Elon backs out of wedding, leaving Twitter at altar.
Act IV: Twitter sues Elon.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Ooof don't agree with that Tesla slight, but still watching.

Twitter gets first win. October trial, 5 days long.

i can't remember,.. what was the original offer?

Sounds like it's official.

Entering Twitter HQ – let that sink in! pic.twitter.com/D68z4K2wq7

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 26, 2022

As much as he says some stupid shame, he will be way better for twitter. The place is a cesspool right now

it will be an even bigger cesspool under musk.  he wants to be rid of any and all moderation so it will just be a megaphone for racists and sexist and political hate speech. 

Nothing i've seen has shown me that he wants absolutely all moderation gone.  He says its too extreme of moderation and needs pulled back and I agree.  Right now any small little opinion that challenges those on the absolute far far left you can go get cut out.  Those on both the absolute far left and the absolute far right should all be banned to be honest.  They are both absolutely toxic and can never have rational conversations. I don't fudgy tolerate any of those groups.

obviously there are some that should stayed banned that could be unbanned, but that still remains to be seen.

But anyway we will likely just agree to disagree and just wait and see.

Nothing i've seen has shown me that he wants absolutely all moderation gone.  He says its too extreme of moderation and needs pulled back and I agree.  Right now any small little opinion that challenges those on the absolute far far left you can go get cut out.  Those on both the absolute far left and the absolute far right should all be banned to be honest.  They are both absolutely toxic and can never have rational conversations. I don't fudgy tolerate any of those groups.

obviously there are some that should stayed banned that could be unbanned, but that still remains to be seen.

But anyway we will likely just agree to disagree and just wait and see.

That's why I want MORE moderation. Ban everyone until it's just an rss feed of bland news.

#canceltheclapback

Dear Twitter Advertisers pic.twitter.com/GMwHmInPAS

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 27, 2022

Dear Twitter Advertisers pic.twitter.com/GMwHmInPAS

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 27, 2022

Sounds like a total menace /s

Also why didn't the tweet embed? dang you vizioneck

I guess that's true. Probably the only way to get there. But obviously not realistic. Lol

Free speech absolutist
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/08/1127689351/elon-musk-calls-himself-a-free-speech-absolutist-what-could-twitter-look-like-un

Plans to Fire 75% of twitter
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/elon-musk-to-fire-nearly-75-of-twitter-employees-report-3450828


the writing is on the wall.   he's defended russia's right to spread disinformation about ukraine or trump to spread his election lies.  hell, some of his own tweets are pretty fudgy awful.  his idea of free speech is not to moderate anything that isn't expressly illegal.  so explicit death threats,.. sure those will be moderated.   that's going to be about it.

cesspool.

Isn't that literally the definition of free speech?

have you ever been on a place like reddit?

g'luck avoiding it.


I think people are good natured in general,.. except while on the internet.

have you ever been on a place like reddit?

g'luck avoiding it.


I think people are good natured in general,.. except while on the internet.

Vijaya Gadde, who oversaw content moderation at Twitter, is out as well.

— Neil Cybart (@neilcybart) October 28, 2022

You iced up real good, kiddo.
Twitter is a disaster clown car company that is successful despite itself, and there is no possible way to grow users and revenue without making a series of enormous compromises that will ultimately destroy your reputation and possibly cause grievous damage to your other companies.

Here are some examples: you can write as many polite letters to advertisers as you want, but you cannot reasonably expect to collect any meaningful advertising revenue if you do not promise those advertisers "brand safety." That means you have to ban racism, sexism, transphobia, and all kinds of other speech that is totally legal in the United States but reveals people to be total assholes. So you can make all the promises about "free speech" you want, but the dull reality is that you still have to ban a bunch of legal speech if you want to make money. And when you start doing that, your creepy new right-wing fanboys are going to viciously turn on you, just like they turn on every other social network that realizes the same essential truth.

Vijaya Gadde, who oversaw content moderation at Twitter, is out as well.

— Neil Cybart (@neilcybart) October 28, 2022

Like really its day 1. Goodness.

How bout we wait and see after a month. SMH

The Verge: Welcome to hell, Elon (https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation)



The Verge wants to fight.

Wonder how fast things will change.

The Verge: Welcome to hell, Elon (https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/28/23428132/elon-musk-twitter-acquisition-problems-speech-moderation)

The Verge wants to fight.

Ligma Johnson had it coming ???? ???? pic.twitter.com/CgjrOV5eM2

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 28, 2022

Ligma Johnson had it coming ???? ???? pic.twitter.com/CgjrOV5eM2

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 28, 2022

Reddit and most news sources seem to have been trolled by two people pretending to be fired employees.

Twitter employees having to actually print out their code ???? as per @CaseyNewton https://t.co/og1DtgfTpe https://t.co/LMMxLq8fcI

— Tom Warren (@tomwarren) October 29, 2022

Twitter is planning to start charging $20 per month for verification https://t.co/yImdvSIjQt pic.twitter.com/gBflFODwH2

— The Verge (@verge) October 31, 2022

The directive is to change Twitter Blue, the company's optional, $4.99 a month subscription that unlocks additional features, into a more expensive subscription that also verifies users, according to people familiar with the matter and internal correspondence seen by The Verge. Twitter is planning to charge $19.99 for the new Twitter Blue subscription, though that price is subject to change. Employees working on the project were told on Sunday that they need to meet a deadline of November 7th to launch the feature or they will be fired.

That followed the Network Contagion Research Institute--a social media research firm--reporting that use of the N-word spiked 500% on Twitter in the 12 hours after Musk took control.

Anti-Semitic memes also jumped, and so did the word "plandemic"--shorthand for a conspiracy theory in which elites are using the pandemic to gain power and profit off vaccines--according to Dataminr, which also analyzes social media, Bloomberg reported (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-29/musk-s-twitter-roils-with-hate-speech-as-trolls-test-new-limits).

Of course, many conservative pundits and lawmakers are delighted that Democratic lawmakers and Hollywood elites are upset with Musk's Twitter takeover, having long believed--like Musk himself--that the social network was overly strict and suppressive.

He’s leaving Patreon, too. pic.twitter.com/UYTYjn11AX

— Nabil #BlackLivesMatter #StopAsianHate (@Neoxon619) October 31, 2022

Twitter to lay off 25% of workers (https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-lay-off-25-workforce-first-round-job-cuts-washington-post-2022-10-31/)

CNN: Elon Musk, Twitter's new owner, tweets conspiracy theory about attack on Paul Pelosi.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/30/business/musk-tweet-pelosi-conspiracy

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-owned-twitter-under-week-175842621.html

Our primary success measure for content moderation is impressions: how many times harmful content is seen by our users. The changes we’ve made have almost entirely eliminated impressions on this content in search and elsewhere across Twitter. pic.twitter.com/AnJuIu2CT6

— Yoel Roth (@yoyoel) October 31, 2022

Impressions don’t tell the whole story. These issues aren’t new, and the people targeted by hateful conduct aren’t numbers or data points. We’re going to continue investing in policy and technology to make things better.

— Yoel Roth (@yoyoel) October 31, 2022

To try to understand the context behind potentially harmful Tweets, we treat first-person and bystander reports differently.

First person: This hateful interaction is happening to or targeting me.

Bystander: This is happening to someone else.

— Yoel Roth (@yoyoel) October 31, 2022

We’re changing how we enforce these policies, but not the policies themselves, to address the gaps here.

You’ll hear more from me and our teams in the days to come as we make progress. Talk is cheap; expect the data that proves we’re making meaningful improvements.

— Yoel Roth (@yoyoel) October 31, 2022

This website will not exist in two years pic.twitter.com/1vPswMN7Rg

— Eliot (@EliotETC) November 4, 2022

You tweeted a conspiracy theory from a website less credible than the National Enquirer like four days ago. We all need to look inward as well as outward.

— Hank Green ???? (@hankgreen) November 4, 2022

Of course not! It's just...it's too simple to attribute this to "activists" when advertisers (who have lots of incentives to be cautious) are given reasons to be cautious. You wield a lot of power, and (IMO) it would be very good for Twitter for you to do it more thoughtfully.

— Hank Green ???? (@hankgreen) November 4, 2022

I don't know Hank green but he burned the shame out of musk. 

I’ve been meaning to post the graphs of the usage spike over the past week. But the best part is we don’t need to, because the data is all public and people like @AlexMahadevan can do an even deeper analysis!???? https://t.co/zGkO8UpDor

— Keith Coleman ???????????? (@kcoleman) November 5, 2022

is birdwatch a competitor to Twitter?

is birdwatch a competitor to Twitter?

Can also confirm @CaseyNewton’s good scoop: some people who were fired from Twitter are now being asked to come back. Some were laid off by mistake, others the company now realizes they may need…oops! w/@EdLudlow https://t.co/A00r93taSa

— Kurt Wagner (@KurtWagner8) November 6, 2022

Gee, I wonder why the screen is so dirty …

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 7, 2022

Gee, I wonder why the screen is so dirty …

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 7, 2022

:-\

He deleted the tweet.

The forum saved the text, but what was the context?

If you don't like Twitter anymore, there is awesome site called Masterbatedone

Gee, I wonder why the screen is so dirty …

Of course the left will hate this

People who hate Elon have been taking things out of context and making it sound like "free speech" all of a sudden also means "hate speech" when I think he's made it clear it's more about left leaning and right leaning having a voice and should be able to talk about and challenge others people's opinions. That doesn't mean the far left and far right should take over the platform with hate but the left leaning politics have taken control of twitter for to long. Let there be more balance. Twitter is already a dumpster fire, let's not pretend all of a sudden Elon is destroying Twitter when he's trying to bring balance. Of course the left will hate this

BREAKING: @KathyGriffin has been permanently suspended from Twitter for impersonating @ElonMusk pic.twitter.com/ust86DZHKj

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) November 6, 2022

Mama Mia Nigga

— Super Mario (@Clowfoe) November 6, 2022

I mean Twitter is known for being a left leaning cesspool. Left leaning politics are more protected on Twitter.

(https://www.slashfilm.com/img/gallery/captain-picard-facepalm-bust/intro-import.jpg)

@Pi I mean Twitter is known for being a left leaning cesspool

This isn't supporting hate speech and hate speech is not the free speech Elon is talking about. He even says this. Also the Kathy griffin account was banned because they were impersonating Elon Musk with labelling it as a spoof account. It is and has been a rule on Twitter for a while. Many accounts pretending to be celebrities have been suspended in the past for doing this.

I didn't think it was controversial for people to describe twitter as left leaning. Regardless of truth, that's a take I've seen for years from other left leaning people.

Twitter’s user growth hit “all-time highs” last week, according to an internal sales team FAQ I've seen. The company has added more than 15 million daily users since it stopped reporting financials in July. https://t.co/4pK4908FjM

— Alex Heath (@alexeheath) November 7, 2022

pic.twitter.com/pgTSY1zIdc

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 8, 2022

Twitter’s solution for ruining verification is another checkmark https://t.co/ENxjxng6jL pic.twitter.com/XyYhvQhL9i

— The Verge (@verge) November 8, 2022

Twitter’s solution for ruining verification is another checkmark https://t.co/ENxjxng6jL pic.twitter.com/XyYhvQhL9i

— The Verge (@verge) November 8, 2022

I'm 50 50 on if twitter dies within 12 months or becomes bigger than facebook.

I'm in a similar boat.
On the one hand, there seems to be some serious desire to improve twitter.
On the other hand, it seems very "flying by the seat of Elon's pants".

Spoiler for definition for the idiom:

<br><br>To &#39;fly by the seat of your pants&#39; is to decide a course of action as you go along, using your own initiative and perceptions rather than a predetermined plan or mechanical aids.<br>

It's one of the things that has helped make Tesla and SpaceX successful. Despite having thousands of employees, they're as agile as startups. Musk is "in a powerful position with a big hammer."

2 minute interview from Tesla's former head of AI.

Perhaps it is because your real account sounds like a parody?

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 13, 2022

And why does your pp have a mask!?

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 13, 2022

A story in four parts pic.twitter.com/ZrLnLQYBdi

— mr vape and watch (@SixTwoPoo) November 14, 2022

New: That fake verified Eli Lilly account sparked a panic inside the pharma giant, and senior execs decided they'd had enough, freezing all Twitter ad campaigns in a huge blow to @elonmusk. "For $8," they lost out on "millions of dollars in ad revenue" https://t.co/1RSKo5e3ec

— Drew Harwell (@drewharwell) November 14, 2022

Spoiler for Hidden:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhn6mbiXkAAAwLY?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fhn6mbdXgAMhV9l?format=jpg&name=medium)

This is the attitude that builds incredible things. Let all the people who don’t desire greatness leave. https://t.co/Q3do2tjX4f

— George Hotz ???? (@realGeorgeHotz) November 16, 2022

Sure, let’s talk.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 16, 2022

It's remarkable how many people who've never run any kind of company think they know how to run a tech company better than someone who's run Tesla and SpaceX.

— Paul Graham (@paulg) November 16, 2022

People have no idea how fast Twitter will evolve

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 16, 2022

Twitter’s Slack currently has hundreds of employees giving the ???? emoji, meaning they decided to not stay for Musk’s “Twitter 2.0” cultural reset. The company had just under 3,000 employees remaining before the deadline to say “yes” or not hit 20 min ago.

— Alex Heath (@alexeheath) November 17, 2022

Hearing from multiple employees that the odds of Twitter breaking in the near future are very high.

— Alex Heath (@alexeheath) November 17, 2022

Story to be updated soon with more: Am hearing that several “critical” infra engineering teams at Twitter have completely resigned. “You cannot run Twitter without this team,” one current engineer tells me of one such group. Also, Twitter has shut off badge access to its offices.

— Alex Heath (@alexeheath) November 18, 2022

it's fine to be a workaholic,..  there's a few in every company.  but you'll never get a company of only workaholics.  if you can't run a business while using people that have families than you can't run a business...

Tesla and SpaceX have managed just fine being only workaholics, although they're companies that were built from the ground up like this.

no one should be comfortable with 16 hour work days and 7 day work weeks.

this is just abuse.

How do you make a small fortune in social media?

Start out with a large one.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022

Yeah, but some people deal with it. (Not that they should).

There's lots of data that shows that even working above 40 hrs is actually counter-productive, but people don't tend to notice when they're doing less, especially in fields that are harder to quantify

pic.twitter.com/rbwbsLA1ZG

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022

Time for some high stakes predictions!

When will Twitter die?
In November
In December
In 2023
In 2024
In 2025
Twitter will not die within the near future

pic.twitter.com/rbwbsLA1ZG

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022

The best people are staying, so I’m not super worried

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022

The best people are staying, so I’m not super worried

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022

I think twitter will be fine. Elon has the dedication, contacts and clout to completely overhaul twitter. The majority of people wishing him to fail are people that hate him.
Either way, it's highly entertaining to watch 

I bought $50 of Tesla stock. Not enough to actually make or lose any serious money, but I predict the damage from Elon's Twitter purchase is mostly done. Semi truck next month should bring them back up and distance them from the drama (or it gets bad reviews and the stock goes lower).

kissed the 12 months low today.  I looked at the chart and am willing to be we test ~140 at some point.  probably a lot of support there.

Rationally I think Twitter should survive. Both Tesla and SpaceX faced significant challenges and had worse odds multiple times throughout their history. Twitter is easy by comparison

One might argue that it's likely easier to make a Twitter competitor than it is to make a Tesla/SpaceX competitor; which might not bode well for Twitter long term.

Yeah I was hoping it'd get down to this price again, but I jumped the gun on yesterday's drop.

Twitter is different than Elon's failures at Tesla.  you can't just tells your customers your on a waiting list and then delay them a second, third, fourth time as the failures mount up. 

I'm still waiting on that promised solar roof I was supposed to be able to buy like 6 years ago...

Elon hasn't been this rock star leader he is made out to be.  he has more in common with Paris Hilton than Steve jobs,.. he's more personality than accomplishments.

...but social media is not cars.  it's "free" and there are alternatives.  even well run social like Facebook is having trouble keeping it's community. PUBG was big until it wasn't.   there will always be the next tik tok or fortnight and when the product is free to use the keeping the community is fragile.

One might argue that it's likely easier to make a Twitter competitor than it is to make a Tesla/SpaceX competitor; which might not bode well for Twitter long term.

Kathie Griffin, Jorden Peterson & Babylon Bee have been reinstated.

Trump decision has not yet been made.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 18, 2022

I definitely agree on the threat of alternatives siphoning away users, but Twitter has been stagnant for years and that hasn't happened. At least to me it seems like that's more of an issue for its long term potential, not the next few years.

Playing around with Mastodon, and you can find me there for now at https://t.co/c0xPc2OqK7. Thanks to @aarongreenberg for the server suggestion.

— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) November 18, 2022

Just in case make sure you join our Discord or follow on the channels below! It’s been an honor ????

???? https://t.co/utHF8XbT0Q
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???? https://t.co/3qJA1zhe3K pic.twitter.com/8KOo55YsS1

— Santa Monica Studio – God of War Ragnarök (@SonySantaMonica) November 18, 2022

Too bad

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 19, 2022

nyt is reporting 1,200 people resigned yesterday...

Elon Musk's Twitter Teeters on the Edge After Another 1,200 Leave https://nyti.ms/3hP0pH7

wow.

Speculation yesterday was that 2,700 resigned so from a glass half full perspective, that's not bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How many employees does he have left
PS. We need more emojis. Don't make me get Elon here to sort this place out  ;D

imo,..  even if the guy is smart he looks too comparative to work in a team.  he'll probably make things worse.

Eh, this is why it’s 12 weeks. More like a contract than a hire. I will take the work in the 12 weeks very seriously, as I do with all contracts.

— George Hotz ???? (@realGeorgeHotz) November 16, 2022

I don't see where he says he thrives here but...

...in my experience hiring someone that says they thrive in a chaotic environment like this generally means:
- I don't respect authority or process
- I'm going to do what I want to do not what is asked if me
- I'm going to complain loudly about how incompetent everyone but me is
- I'm going to be a shaming employee that will eventually get fired

When I’m needed. I’m much better in wartime than peacetime.

— George Hotz ???? (@realGeorgeHotz) November 16, 2022

Yeah I was hoping it'd get down to this price again, but I jumped the gun on yesterday's drop.

-6.8%

8)

Let's go!

If it drops to 30% its current value it'll still be doing better than my other stock 8)

Which stock is that?

pic.twitter.com/uKEY9mVujp

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 28, 2022

I still think a fee is justified but 30% feels like price gouging.  credit cards do their thing for 3%.

Credit cards are doing that on every transaction you make in your life. You buy gum, food, rent, cars... everything with your card.

This is different. Its a marketplace that had billions poured into it to reach the maximum number of people. On consoles Sony and MS are taking hundreds of dollar losses per unit to reach those audiences, why? Because that 30% cut makes up for it.

If a dev doesn't like it, go make your own market place. Its not that easy, let me tell you. Bethesda and ubisoft failed at it and went back to steam.

Other publishers or devs dont have the money to do so? Okay cool, use PSN, xbox live, and steam. But respect that they get their cut.

I'll agree in apples situation, a 30% cut seems it can be discussed. Specially since they don't allow other market places on the platform. But id argue it shouldn't be less than 20. Its still their investment and platform  

Effective November 23, 2022, Twitter is no longer enforcing the COVID-19 misleading information policy.

Ahead of the temporary suspension, West shared a text exchange which he had with Musk where the Twitter chief reportedly said: “Sorry, but you have gone too far. This is not love.” West responded: “Who made you the judge.”

— Zachary Petrizzo (@ZTPetrizzo) December 2, 2022

My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 11, 2022

I thought is was widely accepted that Fauci is dodgy.

"Elon Musk wants to criminalize Anthony Fauci because he disagrees with him. Elon is no champion of free speech," Rep. Ritchie Torres (D-N.Y.) tweeted.

"It's America. You can select any pronouns you dang well please. But Anthony Fauci has likely saved more human lives than any living person in the world. Shame on you," Rep. Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) tweeted.

"Dr. Fauci is a national hero who will be remembered for generations to come for his innate goodness & many contributions to public health Despite your business success, you will be remembered most for fueling public hate & divisions. You may have money, but you have no class," former CIA Director John Brennan tweeted.

For the record: Dr. Fauci has done nothing wrong, except serve our nation. In the meantime, Mr. Musk should know that 200,000 Americans needlessly lost their lives from Covid due to this kind of antiscience rhetoric and disinformation. Elon, I’m asking you to take down this Tweet https://t.co/t3ffWQsXnb

— Prof Peter Hotez MD PhD (@PeterHotez) December 11, 2022

you need new sources swordfish.  the only thing dodgy are the blatant lies from his critics.  fauci gave his recommendations for how to navigate the pandemic with the best facts and science available at the time with a goal of saving lives.

I just thought he lied a lot and profited a lot from the pandemic.

And I could be wrong but that Elon tweet isn't about denying the science but rather about the alleged lies and shady stuff Fauci has done. He should at least be interrogated. Being anti Fauci isn't anti science.

As for twitter, I like what Elon has planned. I like both sides get a say. I like that he's pissing off the far right and far left. I like the transparency. I like he is willing to go head to head with powerful people. I like he is exposing Twitter's past. I like his plans encouraging journalists to be truthful and the community decides whats the truth with context added notes. I like that it gives us more power. If both right and left can thrive on there and get rid of the far left and right, it can be a powerful platform with the most accurate articles. This is Elon's plan. If it fails, Twitter in the previous state was better off dead anyway.

He lied about it leaking from a lab and then we were restricted from talking about it. That alone is iced up. They controlled the freedom of speech and restricted what we could say through social media and controlled the narrative. Why would I support that?

"There was a study recently that we can make available to you, where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences there and the sequences in bats as they evolve. And the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human," Fauci replied.

"I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened."

He lied about it leaking from a lab and then we were restricted from talking about it. That alone is iced up. They controlled the freedom of speech and restricted what we could say through social media and controlled the narrative. Why would I support that?

A Twitter user who runs an account which tracks Elon Musk's private jet says it has been shadowbanned since Musk bought the platform.
Jack Sweeney, the person behind the jet tracking account, ElonJet, took to Twitter on Sunday to accuse the social media platform of suppressing the automated account.
In a thread (https://twitter.com/JxckSweeney/status/1601793876523720704) Sweeney dubbed, "My Twitter Files," he claimed an anonymous Twitter employee informed him that his ElonJet (https://twitter.com/ElonJet) account was "visibility limited/restricted to a severe degree internally" on December 2.

There's no evidence he's profited off the pandemic in any nefarious way.

I swear 95% of the time, "pissing off the far left and far right" is really just right wingers celebrating pissing off the left.

I've seen no evidence that Elon is letting "both sides get a say". I've seen left wing accounts get shut down for seemingly nothing. I've seen far right wing accounts get opened back up.

The problem with "the community deciding the truth" is that people are clueless.
The vast majority of people don't understand 95% of anything. There's a reason why we have people that study a specific subject for a decade or more of their life.

First off we don't know whether it did or didn't leak from a lab. It's very plausible either way.

First off we don't know whether it did or didn't leak from a lab. It's very plausible either way.

Uh no.

First off we don't know whether it did or didn't leak from a lab. It's very plausible either way.

Secondly he has said nothing of the sort.  

Fauci in April 2020:


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"There was a study recently that we can make available to you, where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences there and the sequences in bats as they evolve. And the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human," Fauci replied.
He says nothing about it for a year, and then suggests this in 2021:

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"I am not convinced about that, I think we should continue to investigate what went on in China until we continue to find out to the best of our ability what happened."

There was someone from twitter who had a big string of text about how Twitter does not moderate speech, they moderate behavior. And the reason why the lab theory was getting censored (we can talk about whether it was justified or not) was due to people attacking random Asian Americans due to the pandemic.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-account-tracks-elon-musks-110613238.html




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Let me ask something else.

What do you think left wing and right wing mean?

????

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 13, 2022

Uh the issue isn't "disagreement".

Hate speech and misinformation can get people killed.

That's the issue.

Ironically, I disagree. There are plenty of things that we can't say that don't put people's lives in danger.

Like what?

Spreading misinformation about trans people => increases suicide and murder rates among trans people.  
Spreading misinformation about gay people => increases suicide and murder rates among gay people.
Spreading misinformation about vaccines causes people to fear vaccinations, which causes them to not get protected against easily avoidable deaths.


What completely harmless piece do you think doesn't get tolerated?

I see no scientific connection regarding information discussed about a group of people and suicide rates

This is just a statement used to shut down conversations regarding those topics  

Like what?

Spreading misinformation about trans people => increases suicide and murder rates among trans people.  
Spreading misinformation about gay people => increases suicide and murder rates among gay people.
Spreading misinformation about vaccines causes people to fear vaccinations, which causes them to not get protected against easily avoidable deaths.


What completely harmless piece do you think doesn't get tolerated?

Like I said, genuine hate speech shouldn't be tolerated. That doesn't mean that issues within the gay and trans community should be free from discussion or scrutiny.

I believe we should push for true equality and I believe free speech will help us get there with open discussions which will encourage people to be more open. Is this perfect? No. But it's a dang lot better than letting the mainstream media encouraging each half the of the country to hate each other.

That's the second time you've dodged the question. What harmless speech do you feel isn't being allowed?

Steam is here—bringing thousands of games to new Model S & X vehicles ???? pic.twitter.com/PDzjtefv7A

— Tesla (@Tesla) December 13, 2022

ie you can't think of any examples.

...which is of course because your view is BS.  

Twitter didn't monitor employee computers at all, it was not uncommon for employees to install spyware on work devices pic.twitter.com/I2po3Ddr5Q

— Avid Halaby (@AvidHalaby) December 12, 2022

Sure I don't have a study that shows the exact correlation.

But:
1.) Suicide rates for trans people drop when they're able to transition and when society has more acceptance for them.

2.) Misinformation is causing lawmakers to push back trans rights to identify how they are.

It's not exactly a leap of logic.

Since this is the tesla thread too I guess, Tesla launches Steam in its cars with thousands of games | Electrek (https://electrek.co/2022/12/13/tesla-launches-steam-cars-games/)

Steam is here—bringing thousands of games to new Model S & X vehicles ???? pic.twitter.com/PDzjtefv7A

— Tesla (@Tesla) December 13, 2022

Who shame in your cornflakes today?
Yeah that's the reason why I don't want to talk about topics/issues here ::)
It's definitely not because I'm in a Elon hate rock echo chamber.

awful brave of you to call this an echo chamber when we're literally asking you to explain your views but you refuse...

...must be that me having viewpoints that I express has taken away your freedom of speech.  

Since this is the tesla thread too I guess, Tesla launches Steam in its cars with thousands of games | Electrek (https://electrek.co/2022/12/13/tesla-launches-steam-cars-games/)

Steam is here—bringing thousands of games to new Model S & X vehicles ???? pic.twitter.com/PDzjtefv7A

— Tesla (@Tesla) December 13, 2022

ah man doesn't include model 3. Guess i should get to being able to afford a model S then.

Ufh not Y?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-account-tracks-elon-musks-110613238.html




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Real-time posting of someone else’s location violates doxxing policy, but delayed posting of locations are ok

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 14, 2022

Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood.

Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 15, 2022

Journalists who cover Elon Musk have been suspended on Twitter tonight: @Donie O'Sullivan from CNN, Aaron Rupar and the Washington Post's @drewharwell.

Rupar tells me he has "no idea" why it happened.

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) December 16, 2022

Journalists who cover Elon Musk have been suspended on Twitter tonight: @Donie O'Sullivan from CNN, Aaron Rupar and the Washington Post's @drewharwell.

Rupar tells me he has "no idea" why it happened.

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) December 16, 2022

Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 16, 2022

What a farce.

Just a 7 day ban. Doesn't really matter.

We recognize that many of our users are active on other social media platforms. However, we will no longer allow free promotion of certain social media platforms on Twitter.

— Twitter Support (@TwitterSupport) December 18, 2022

We recognize that many of our users are active on other social media platforms. However, we will no longer allow free promotion of certain social media platforms on Twitter.

— Twitter Support (@TwitterSupport) December 18, 2022

Rash from Elon tbh although he acted while still hot beaded over his baby boy being put in danger. The rage over this is a bit over the top. Why are opinions so polarised on absolutely everything?
And probably deserved if they are normalising doxxing. This is very dangerous and needs to be nipped in the bud

Well apparently now, reporting on doxxing is doxxing.

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We recognize that many of our users are active on other social media platforms. However, we will no longer allow free promotion of certain social media platforms on Twitter.

— Twitter Support (@TwitterSupport) December 18, 2022

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This is so dumb. I understand maybe banning accounts from owners of other social platforms that are trying ro take users away by saying stuff like "twitter bad, come to our social network". They never should be banned for offering a service.
Stupid move.

Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2022

Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2022

Policy will be adjusted to suspending accounts only when that account’s *primary* purpose is promotion of competitors, which essentially falls under the no spam rule

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2022

Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2022

Yes he should. He's making too many mistakes and right now he's fighting a battle with the press that he will never win. He's laid out what Twitter will be and now it must become that.

Ok this is better but he needs to quit the knee jerk reactions.

Policy will be adjusted to suspending accounts only when that account’s *primary* purpose is promotion of competitors, which essentially falls under the no spam rule

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2022

Casually sharing occasional links is fine, but no more relentless advertising of competitors for free, which is absurd in the extreme

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 18, 2022

"fail fast" is just a way to say "too dumb to even think before acting" and is a great way to just straight up fail.

Have to agree. Elon is a but rash. His style suited when twitter needed a clear out and rebuilt and even building a companies from scratch like tesla and space x. It can be a positive trait but when you're messing with a public forum and policies you need to implement changes gradually and think about the knock on effect. Banning links to other socials was way to far but he was equally quick to see the reaction and adjust the rule to something more understandable. At least we can give him credit for that.

but like,..  is there not a single other employee working at Twitter or is Elon working in complete isolation?

sure, some twits convinced him his rule was too harsh but was the balanced approach soo novel it took millions of people to see it or could literally any level headed person in the world that gave it more than 2 seconds of thought been able to figure that out?

I vote for the 2nd option..

it doesn't feel like something that deserves "credit".  it would be like giving Louis c.k credit for seeing the reaction and figuring out to put his sucker back in his pants after taking it out at work...  

in other news,.. after banning him on Twitter r/elonjettracker opened on reddit.  

over 200,000 subs in like a week.  

so like that totally backfired on him.

I will resign as CEO as soon as I find someone foolish enough to take the job! After that, I will just run the software & servers teams.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 21, 2022

"What's the runway?," George Hotz asks @elonmusk on Twitter Spaces. Silence. . . . some doofus jumps in to fill silence with garbage question. Come on, dude.

— Ashlee Vance (@ashleevance) December 21, 2022

lulz

Kotaku: PS3 Hacker Hired To Fix Twitter By Elon Musk Just Quit, Yikes.
https://kotaku.com/elon-musk-twitter-george-hotz-ps3-hacker-intern-quit-1849923347

Nah, it is what it is. Still rooting for the success of Twitter 2.0!

— George Hotz ???? (@realGeorgeHotz) December 20, 2022

The @realGeorgeHotz @Twitter drama is gorgeous

A clash of cultures

Efficiency driven "question everything" startup culture vs corporate "this is how we've done it always, you have no idea" culture

Fantastic to see the arguments of both sides

— Stefan Amberger (@__snamber) December 24, 2022

You can read somewhere above where i wrote geohotz is not the kind of employee that can work with others.  

Start-up mentality is fine when your an actual start up.  When you have millions of existing consumers you can't do shame without extensive impact testing and that requires working well with others.  

Ive seen this same shame play out at my work.  Some young gun thing he knows everything.  Everything that is except the 100,000 lines of code that gets executed before/after your code that comes crashes when you change something because "its wrong".  The "wrong" is called technical debt and there is always a reason it was written like that in the first place.  If it was sooo easy to do it "right" it would have been done right in the first place.  

Technical debt is always written because some shaming leader wants something done fast instead of done right.  

 

Everyone confused by Elon Musk sucking up to Dmitry Medvedev’s insane thread. Have you forgotten this exchange from October? Tells you all you need to know. Explain how this has never been made a bigger deal out of? pic.twitter.com/Z04B4Kl0aW

— Darshan Sanghrajka (@chiefchimpanzee) December 26, 2022

Epic thread!!

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 26, 2022

Everyone confused by Elon Musk sucking up to Dmitry Medvedev’s insane thread. Have you forgotten this exchange from October? Tells you all you need to know. Explain how this has never been made a bigger deal out of? pic.twitter.com/Z04B4Kl0aW

— Darshan Sanghrajka (@chiefchimpanzee) December 26, 2022

Epic thread!!

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 26, 2022

Haha ????

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 27, 2022

Those are definitely the most absurd predictions I’ve ever heard, while also showing astonishing lack of awareness of the progress of artificial intelligence and sustainable energy.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 27, 2022

Haha ????

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 27, 2022

Those are definitely the most absurd predictions I’ve ever heard, while also showing astonishing lack of awareness of the progress of artificial intelligence and sustainable energy.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 27, 2022

1.) It's just a joke/it's trolling is probably the single most common excuse for any kind of terrible behavior. I've seen it an absolutely absurd number of times. I've seen so many absolutely indefensible posts, "defended" on the basis that it was a joke.  Some things are not defensible.

2.) There is a rather concerning number of Russian/Putin allies that seem to be in Elon's circle (either photographed sitting with him at the games or public discussions on Twitter).  

If I saw someone responding to a Nazi's post, with "epic!", I would not care if they were genuinely joking. It would at minimum be concerning that they were so careless.


One of the world's most powerful people is humoring supporters of a dictator who has repeatedly threatened to end all life on Earth.

I really don't give half a crud if they were joking.

Under questioning, Musk denied that he picked the $420 price as a joke given its meaning to marijuana enthusiasts, but rather as a roughly 20% premium on the stock price at the time.

"420 price was not a joke," he testified. At another point, he said: "There is some karma around 420 although I should question if that is good or bad karma at this point."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/elon-musk-says-twitters-free-api-being-abused-badly-will-start-charging-developers-access

so like,.. this is pretty huge right?

I guess we could give all Verified users access to the API for posts like this

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 3, 2023

Not got a clue about this API business but does this make things better?

Seemed like the right venue

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 15, 2023

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-to-disable-two-factor-authentication-by-text-non-twitter-blue-subscribers/

we'll that's a first I believe...

Twitter is getting scammed by phone companies for $60M/year of fake 2FA SMS messages

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 18, 2023

Use of free authentication apps for 2FA will remain free and are much more secure than SMS https://t.co/pFMdxWPlai

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 18, 2023

lol facebook is going to charge people $12 a month for the verification mark or whatever.

Is twitter actually making money off this, or is it just one stupid company following another?

Hi Elon!

The reason I asked you in public is because you (or anyone else at Twitter) didn't reply to my private messages.

You had every right to lay me off. But it would have been nice to let me know!

As for my disability I wrote you about that here: https://t.co/E4MDQUvgVo

— Halli (@iamharaldur) March 7, 2023

I would like to apologize to Halli for my misunderstanding of his situation. It was based on things I was told that were untrue or, in some cases, true, but not meaningful.

He is considering remaining at Twitter.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 7, 2023

Unfortunately the BBC is almost as bad a American mainstream media. This is just a buzzword filled article riddled with bs *sigh*

On the other hand, Elon did provide us with a wtf moment. An employee confronted Elon if he had been fired or not and Elon responded and led to exchanges like this

Hi Elon!

The reason I asked you in public is because you (or anyone else at Twitter) didn't reply to my private messages.

You had every right to lay me off. But it would have been nice to let me know!

As for my disability I wrote you about that here: https://t.co/E4MDQUvgVo

— Halli (@iamharaldur) March 7, 2023

Maybe better to be dealt with in private but also great to see this play out because we got to see both sides, Elon eventually talking to the guy, working out he was in the wrong and owning up to his mistake.

I would like to apologize to Halli for my misunderstanding of his situation. It was based on things I was told that were untrue or, in some cases, true, but not meaningful.

He is considering remaining at Twitter.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 7, 2023

This whole thing has been embarrassing for Musk honestly. Belittling his disability and speaking without knowing anything about his situation apparently. His only option was to apologise honestly.

BTW this Hal guy is Icelandic and extremely well liked here for helping with various things with his money.

musk is an american conservative.  not getting the facts before making an opinion is pretty much the standard these days.   did you guys see that interview with newt gingrich where he says opinions are the same thing as facts because if the people believe it is true then it is true?

press@twitter.com now auto responds with ????

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 19, 2023

Some preliminary testing indicates that Twitter is deboosting tweets containing certain words, including preventing them being shown as previews in DMs.

Current suspected words include (without letters not punctuation):

- Tr@ns
- G@y
- Lesbi@n
- Qu££r
- Bisexu@l

Try yourself.

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

We can also confirm that, whilst any reference to s£x triggers this filter, the word "faggot" does not ????

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

Heterosexual is also fine, but homos£xual is not!

Our current thinking is - because of how other partially filtered words which keep "s£x" intact interact - is that anything containing "s£x" is banned, but explicit exemptions have been made.

Not including qu££r s£xualities.

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

IMPORTANT UPDATE:

We have just found that the filter blocked the initialism G.C. (without punctuation marks) - short for "gender critical" is also blocked. The full phrase and the acronym TERF are not.

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

?? @elonmusk @TwitterSupport

Can you confirm why word's like 'Trans', 'BLM', & 'LGBT' are censored by Twitter, yet highly offensive slurs like 'trans-identified male' are not?

Thank you https://t.co/bW49Ob7T2M

— Adi Daly-Gourdialsing (she/her) @adi@mastodon.lol (@AdiDee_Gee) April 1, 2023

Some preliminary testing indicates that Twitter is deboosting tweets containing certain words, including preventing them being shown as previews in DMs.

Current suspected words include (without letters not punctuation):

- Tr@ns
- G@y
- Lesbi@n
- Qu££r
- Bisexu@l

Try yourself.

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

We can also confirm that, whilst any reference to s£x triggers this filter, the word "faggot" does not ????

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

Heterosexual is also fine, but homos£xual is not!

Our current thinking is - because of how other partially filtered words which keep "s£x" intact interact - is that anything containing "s£x" is banned, but explicit exemptions have been made.

Not including qu££r s£xualities.

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

IMPORTANT UPDATE:

We have just found that the filter blocked the initialism G.C. (without punctuation marks) - short for "gender critical" is also blocked. The full phrase and the acronym TERF are not.

— Trans Safety Network (@trans_safety) April 1, 2023

?? @elonmusk @TwitterSupport

Can you confirm why word's like 'Trans', 'BLM', & 'LGBT' are censored by Twitter, yet highly offensive slurs like 'trans-identified male' are not?

Thank you https://t.co/bW49Ob7T2M

— Adi Daly-Gourdialsing (she/her) @adi@mastodon.lol (@AdiDee_Gee) April 1, 2023

Free speech going well, as long as it's the right speech...

Twitter was involuntarily open sourced so shouldn't that be easy to confirm in the code?

Twitter is more transparent than any other social media and people still moan. Twitter is the most balanced social media but it's going through a period where it's exposing how the "right" was censored and it stings a little foe the "left". A few years down the line when it settles and it operating how they intend, it will be the best place to listening to both sides and make a decision for yourself. The far left and far right can disappear into their echo chambers and moan about Twitter there.

Our algorithm is obviously horrendous, but it will get better fast and in full view of the public, whose trust we must earn

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 2, 2023

Critically, Community Notes applies equally to every account on this platform without exception, including world leaders & our biggest advertisers

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 2, 2023

Twitter added a "state-affiliated media" tag to NPR's main account on Tuesday, applying the same label to the nonprofit media company that Twitter uses to designate official state mouthpieces and propaganda outlets in countries such as Russia and China.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/05/1168158549/twitter-npr-state-affiliated-media (http://"https://www.npr.org/2023/04/05/1168158549/twitter-npr-state-affiliated-media")

Twitter changed their name to X Corp. pic.twitter.com/RlOm5wrE35

— Dexerto (@Dexerto) April 11, 2023

Twitter company no longer exists.

Twitter changed their name to X Corp. pic.twitter.com/RlOm5wrE35

— Dexerto (@Dexerto) April 11, 2023

i honestly don't know what to think about this.   is there any specific thing to be happy/wary of or is this just another rich people hiding their wealth from taxation?

It's just the same thing as google becoming alphabet or facebook becoming meta.

Your boy elon just destroyed the BBC

Your boy elon just destroyed the BBC

Source?

.@ElonMusk, boss of @Twitter and CEO of @Tesla and @SpaceX, has given an interview to the BBC.

Watch BBC News' interview with Elon Musk in FULL: pic.twitter.com/MLrnFp2SUb

— Wojciech Pawelczyk (@WojPawelczyk) April 14, 2023

They trained illegally using Twitter data. Lawsuit time.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 19, 2023

They trained illegally using Twitter data. Lawsuit time.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 19, 2023

so in addition to losing ad revenue he wants to waste a ton of money on a frivolous lawsuit?

how did this guy get to be a billionaire.  oh right, daddy.

Because he actually is a good business man. I know most people here hate him, but the guy has built successful business after successful business. I personally am indifferent to him, but I respect what he has accomplished

so in addition to losing ad revenue he wants to waste a ton of money on a frivolous lawsuit?

how did this guy get to be a billionaire.  oh right, daddy.

how did this guy get to be a billionaire.  oh right, daddy.

Not really. You could pin it down to luck, government funding.

I also feel like Elon used to be better. It really feels to me like the past ~4 years, he's gone down some kind of propaganda rabbit hole. Not that he was a great person before, but he seems so much like a guy who got majorly sucked into Fox News or 4chan or something.  

What more can the guy do? He's open sourced Twitter for transparency, exposed FBI and  government collusion with twitter to suppress free speech and

doing what he can to allow both sides of the story be heard. Mainstream media are throwing their toys out the pram.

You can't say anything positive about Elon but are the first on here to point out when he slips up.

You play down his achievements because that's the only way you can keep pushing the narrative that he's bad. You won't be happy until everybody has to agree with the narrative that mainstream media sets and you can't have an opinion.

In this twitter debacle the FBI and US government literally worked with twitter to suppress freespeach. He stopped that. How is the "bad guy here"

Luck has something to do with it yes..but when you run so many successful businesses and revolutionise more than one its clear that luck isn't the main factor.

Do you think NPR/BBC and Russia/China state media are on the same level? Do you agree with that change?

Are you talking about the labelling? Have Russia/China state media not been labelled? If so, that is obviously wrong

The news organization says that is inaccurate and misleading, given that NPR is a private, nonprofit company with editorial independence. It receives less than 1 percent of its $300 million annual budget from the federally funded Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

Most of NPR's funding comes from corporate and individual supporters and grants. It also receives significant programming fees from member stations. Those stations, in turn, receive about 13 percent of their funds from the CPB and other state and federal government sources.

NPR was previously labelled as state media. Still labelled publicly funded

The issue is the other way around.
NPR was previously labelled as state media. Still labelled publicly funded, despite the fact that the vast majority does not come from the government.  

I agree,  but do you agree we should have these labels for transparency?

I feel this isn't really an issue, NPR may be labelled wrong but it will be altered if NPR put in a reasonable argument why it shouldn't be labelled "government funded". I don't understand the amount of push back about labelling when it benefits the public.

I think the main argument why they are labelled "government funded" is because they say on their own website that the rely on government funding. If they can provide context,

It's been hard following all the changes. Looks like today no one has labels, or maybe the system is glitched.

Youtube has traditionally labeled BBC, NPR, and PBS as publicly funded media so I'm pretty sure they're happy with that label. It's only the government/state funded label that was problematic for them.

NPR literally said “Federal funding is essential to public radio” on their own website (now taken down).

What hypocrites! pic.twitter.com/kYAXW0zpyl

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 12, 2023

NPR literally said “Federal funding is essential to public radio” on their own website (now taken down).

What hypocrites! pic.twitter.com/kYAXW0zpyl

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) April 12, 2023

Federal funding is essential to public radio's service to the American public and its continuation is critical for both stations and program producers, including NPR.

But it's not taken down
The whole article is right here:
Public Radio Finances : NPR (https://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-finances)

They're also not talking about NPR in that line.

Federal funding is essential to healthcare systems, that doesn't mean that all healthcare all the time is funded by federal funding.

Excited to announce that I’ve hired a new CEO for X/Twitter. She will be starting in ~6 weeks!

My role will transition to being exec chair & CTO, overseeing product, software & sysops.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) May 11, 2023

I am excited to welcome Linda Yaccarino as the new CEO of Twitter!@LindaYacc will focus primarily on business operations, while I focus on product design & new technology.

Looking forward to working with Linda to transform this platform into X, the everything app. https://t.co/TiSJtTWuky

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) May 12, 2023

Elon Musk … the woke mind virus is a threat to the world.

Also Elon Musk … I just hired a far left loon deeply infected with the woke mind virus to run Twitter.

Twitter 2.0 was fun while it lasted - get ready for it to suck again.

— Catturd ™ (@catturd2) May 12, 2023

Time to meet the new CEO of Twitter who will be starting in less than 6 weeks' time!

And turns out she's a shill for the World Economic Forum.

Watch in full here ????https://t.co/ls1xUXHHcR pic.twitter.com/ENiCITCL9s

— Lewis Brackpool (@Lewis_Brackpool) May 12, 2023

Pretty fascinating.

Right wingers think she's a left wing looney, and left wingers think she's a right wing looney.  

Did people even know who she was before this?

Doubt. Era seems to just be looking at her twitter account.

Now that we know who it is, I think it's time for new predictions!

Do you think she will remain the CEO of Twitter for a reasonable amount of time, or will there be a shakeup before the year is over?
Oh gosh I just found reddit people unironically believing this is the next step of the illuminati taking over  :P

i'm 50/50.  elon is an unstable sort of folk so who knows...

Repeated, targeted harassment against any account will cause the harassing accounts to receive, at minimum, temporary suspensions.

The words “cis” or “cisgender” are considered slurs on this platform.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 21, 2023

Repeated, targeted harassment against any account will cause the harassing accounts to receive, at minimum, temporary suspensions.

The words “cis” or “cisgender” are considered slurs on this platform.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) June 21, 2023

.....

not sure if I understand your take on that.  "..." leaves a lot of room for interpretation...

To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we’ve applied the following temporary limits:

- Verified accounts are limited to reading 6000 posts/day
- Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
- New unverified accounts to 300/day

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 1, 2023

Sucks that you have to log in to view tweets now.

so like if you embed a tweet here in can't read it since I've never had an account?

DID YOU MAKE YOUR THREADS ACCOUNT YET?

LOOK: #Meta officially launches #Threads on Thursday, July 6, as Mark Zuckerberg, Meta’s CEO, announced on his official Facebook account.

Threads, designed to provide a forum for real-time online conversations, have been Twitter's primary… pic.twitter.com/MAVPUQqfHh

— Manila Bulletin News (@manilabulletin) July 6, 2023

It baffles me that people trust Zuckerberg over Elon. Oh yeah, mainstream media said to hate Elon.

yeah besides some baffling things that Elon has been saying sometimes since he bought twitter, I'd trust elon way more.  I personally just think twitter is all hate fueled on either side at this point and that's not going to change most likely

yeah besides some baffling things that Elon has been saying sometimes since he bought twitter, I'd trust elon way more.  I personally just think twitter is all hate fueled on either side at this point and that's not going to change most likely

It baffles me that people trust Zuckerberg over Elon. Oh yeah, mainstream media said to hate Elon.

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It baffles me that you continue to give the benefit of the doubt to Elon.  

They're both terrible people.

Competition is fine, cheating is not

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 6, 2023

I may be missing something  about Elon or the things I'm supposed to care about in reality aren't that bad. Idk. Elon a terrible person? My opinion he's the opposite. I agree with the majority what he says and I like he stands for free speech. You can question everything. Not we should be told what to think.  And he's pushing for transparency on Twitter.

Everyone says they stand for "free speech", the issue is that people have completely opposing ideas on what that actually entails; because most people understand you have to make exceptions to free speech.  The obvious one is you can't send out bad stuff to people under 18, most people agree on that.  

Conservatives are thrilled to say they're pro-free speech, and yet they frequently ban anything that talks about LGBT groups, they frequently ban things that talk about black issues.  
And of course left wingers similarly will ban or at the very least will argue against certain kinds of speech, because they similarly view certain kinds of speech as harmful usually to minority groups.

Elon two weeks ago, banned the word "cis" under the guise that it was a slur and being used as harassment, and I've talked to people who got day bans for saying that word. In what world is that free speech?  

Cis isn't banned, you only can get a timeout if you use it to harass and so it should be.

If people are getting banned because they are just using the word cis, I'd say that's people abusing the report system. Report systems were abused on Twitter 1.0 and every other social media.

Should we be allowed  to oppose LGBT talking points? yes.

He specifically said that the word was a slur. Which doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't particularly make sense for how it can be used to harass someone.  

And I'm sure you gave the same benefit of the doubt to the previous runners of twitter. It was never because they were opposed to free speech, it was just the reporting systems being abused.  


What does this even mean?

Are there white people talking points? Straight people talking points?

It baffles me that people trust Zuckerberg over Elon. Oh yeah, mainstream media said to hate Elon.

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CIS is being used as a slur unfortunately if you agree or not.

And of course there's talking points about straight people, men , white people. What are you talking about?

I want these talking points to be discussed.

any actual evidence of "cheating" or is this just that he fired most of his staff and he's mad they had the audacity to find new jobs in their profession?

Meta has said that no one on the Threads team even came from Twitter.

Mark Zuckerberg talking about Facebook users pic.twitter.com/NhWDh7t50S

— Andrew (@andrewmichaelio) July 6, 2023

Do you understand what cis means?
Explain how it's even possible for it to be a slur.

Cis is an adjective, it describes 99+% of the world, it's not an insult or a derogatory term.

I don't think "Talking points about straight people" is the same thing as "straight people talking points"

I love these talking points being discussed. But a lot of these discussions are being filled with lies, with the express purpose of hurting people.
He's just upset that it's becoming popular.
Meta has said that no one on the Threads team even came from Twitter.

Oh goodie.  Whataboutism.  

I don't think i've said so much as 1 sentence about zuckerberg here. He's no saint but any shaming thing he has done doesn't forgive that musk has been even shittier.  ..or at the very least quite openly and publically shaming.

Well kitler an Pi would be going crazy if Elon said this  :o

The gist I'm getting from this that if you're straight, you can't have an opinion

and  a term used for a majority can't be a slur? Am I correct?  Because that's battleship.

And how can me wanting to hear both sides be bad? Why do you always try and pull me to the left side of thinking. Like there's not one thing on the right you can accept is correct.

I love these talking points being discussed. But a lot of these discussions are being filled with lies, with the express purpose of hurting people.

You look at things simply to justify why I'm wrong and make presumptions to make yourself right. Like, and since we are the Elon/Twitter thread, the conclusions you jump to to always paint Elon in a bad light.

Well kitler an Pi would be going crazy if Elon said this  :o

Mark Zuckerberg talking about Facebook users pic.twitter.com/NhWDh7t50S

— Andrew (@andrewmichaelio) July 6, 2023

The gist I'm getting from this that if you're straight, you can't have an opinion and  a term used for a majority can't be a slur? Am I correct?  Because that's battleship.

And how can me wanting to hear both sides be bad? Why do you always try and pull me to the left side of thinking. Like there's not one thing on the right you can accept is correct. You look at things simply to justify why I'm wrong and make presumptions to make yourself right. Like, and since we are the Elon/Twitter thread, the conclusions you jump to to always paint Elon in a bad light.

As I said, they're both terrible people.
Why are you under this impression that we are not upset about Zuckerberg doing this? Why are you under this impression that we would be more upset if Elon did this than Zuckerberg?

Where did I say that?

Why can't you explain to me how "cis" can be derogatory?
Who does it insult?
Do you know cis means?

That's not what I said.

This is what I said:
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I love these talking points being discussed. But a lot of these discussions are being filled with lies, with the express purpose of hurting people.

Where have I made presumptions?

I'm pretty sure I've said all of this before.

You're barely ever critical of Elon. And that is concerning. Elon is one of the richest, most powerful people on the planet. Same as Zuckerberg. These people don't need you to defend them. They should not have that power in the first place

Elon is hardly terrible though is he.  Is he terrible because his views opposes yours?

Maybe I misinterpreted what you said. What did you mean by this? "I don't think 'Talking points about straight people' is the same thing as 'straight people talking point'"
I originally read it as talking points about straight people is ok and talking points from straight people is irrelevant. Seems I got it wrong.

It's about context and you know this.  Stop asking me if I know what it means. I know and it's irelevant.

And that's the difficult part. Unless you witness it first hand or have contextual evidence, you don't know the exact truth. You yourself spread misinformation yourself or add your bias when talking about Elon. Before you ask for example, go through these pages. And I think we've been through what's left and right. You know what people mean when they say left and right. I don't care for a deep discussion of what is left and what is right.

Your latest one being Elon is mad over competition not Meta stealing from Twitter.

any actual evidence of "cheating" or is this just that he fired most of his staff and he's mad they had the audacity to find new jobs in their profession?

Back on phone so back to stuff not being quoted because it's a baby to do.


That stuff about Elon is a bit dramatic don't you think.. And why can't  we entertain ideas of 'conspiracy theories' when 'conspiracy theories' in the past have proven to be true.
And the word 'conspiracy theory' along with 'misinformation' and 'disinformation' and obviously buzz words to censor people of give social platforms the power to censor people.

And you get your news from reddit soooo...

Straight people talking points?  It's got to the point it's not important anymore.

The cis argument. You're all for understanding and not causing harm to people but think cis isn't a slur but probably millions reject the word on don't like being called it to the point, and the one Elon replied to, somebody on Twitter asked to  not be called cis and then was be called cissy. It's a slur. I have a similar stance to BananaKing  on this.

And the last point , your reply to kitler
Quote from: kitler53 on Yesterday at 02:10:56 (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?msg=286658)
"He's just upset that it's becoming popular."

If it's true that Meta didn't have ex Twitter employees then your point is even more valid. I did say that this opinion wasn't bad though.

Covid always from China. Conspiracy theories have little to do attacks on Asians.

Lies are harmful but I'm not trading my freedom of speech and right to question anything. It Will turn on you.

Lgbt talking points like trans women in women sports.  What age somebody can change naughtiness. What young kids should be taught in school etc.

'Cis' is ideological language, signifying belief in the unfalsifiable concept of gender identity. You have a perfect right to believe in unprovable essences that may or may not match the sexed body, but the rest of us have a right to disagree, and to refuse to adopt your jargon.

Being called short can totally be discrimination.  Again. Context.

These two things are not the same.
Everyone knows that Covid came from China. Was it intentionally released?

The best conspiracy theories have a kernel of truth.

I'm a vehement believer in freedom of speech.

I'm a strong believer that people should be informed.

I didn't/don't agree with Twitter/other sites banning certain conversations. And I don't agree with Elon banning words he doesn't like based on *reasons*.

My personal favorite approach, is what some sites do where they let you say whatever you want, but then they add a little tag to controversial posts where it says "click here to learn more about this topic".

If you're a believer in free speech, then believe in free speech, even when it's not convenient for you.

A lot of these conversations are filled with lies, with the intent of harming trans people. Like claims that young children are getting surgeries. Or even that trans people in general get surgeries.
Lots of lies about how small children are being taught about naughtiness. All in an attempt to justify ignoring the existence of LGBT people.

Just like the "cis being a slur" conversation.

Ironically JK Rowling put a reason into words:
Quote from: JK Rowling
'Cis' is ideological language, signifying belief in the unfalsifiable concept of gender identity. You have a perfect right to believe in unprovable essences that may or may not match the sexed body, but the rest of us have a right to disagree, and to refuse to adopt your jargon.


It's not because cis is being used to disparage (somehow). It's because it validates trans people's existence.

"Slur" has a specific meaning.

Jack Sweeney, the creator of an account tracking Elon Musk's private jet in real time, has moved to Mark Zuckerberg's Twitter-rival Threads after being suspended from Twitter last year.

"ElonJet has arrived to Threads!" read Sweeney's first post on Thursday from the account handle @elonmusksjet, which had over 21,000 followers as of Saturday morning.

I propose a literal dick measuring contest ????

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 10, 2023

Good one! Did you think of that all by yourself?   ;D


And of course the 2 bullies are back at it. Say something on here that Pi and kitler don't like, and watch the dynamic duo team up bully their opinions over yours. How dare you think differently to them.

Good one! Did you think of that all by yourself?   ;D


And of course the 2 bullies are back at it. Say something on here that Pi and kitler don't like, and watch the dynamic duo team up bully their opinions over yours. How dare you think differently to them.

Pi is absolutely polite in his responses to you.  he takes a lot of effort to not use inflammatory language.  he sources a lot of his arguments.  he tries to understand you and make you understand him.

your core problem is you think us saying what we think somehow took away your "free speech".   free speech is you saying your opinion and others saying theirs.  don't be so thin skinned.  if your "free speech" requires me to either agree with you or be silent when you say something then you aren't the free speech advocate you think you are.  discourse is the heart of free speech.

say whatever you want about me but don't you go lumping Pi in with me.  he's the best amongst us.

One of my fears is that I get brainwashed into a certain way of thinking or being brainwashed into supporting a "side". That's why I bang on about mainstream media, it's that fear. I felt like Pi and kitler were on a "side" trying to "brainwash" me but wtaf am I doing?

but just an honest perspective here.   whether it is politics or otherwise Pi and I pretty much dominate ALL activity on this forum.   the top 3 posters are always Pi, legend and myself.   ...and a lot of legend's posts are in his space threads where he is often times talking to himself.   i probably come here too often but i do really enjoy the aspect of this forum that i know everyone and can read everyone's opinions and remember what each of you think months later.   it's more fun (imo) than a place like era where you lob your posts into a void and there is no conversation aspect to a thread.

Pi, I genuinely want the truth. It's frustrating because I don't know where to get that. Everybody is so divided and I hate that. Every single topic as 2 extreme views and nobody ever hardly wants to meet in the middle. I guess that's why I take the stance I do because I feel meeting in the middle and compromising is the best outcome for everybody instead of more divides.

Not about Twitter but what do you guys think about xAI? Not delved into it yet but my understanding that the creation of xAI is to understand the true nature of the universe. Not sure what that exactly means but guessing it has a wider scope and aim to keep out of politics and only learn from truth and facts.

I don't know how to feel about AI. It's scary stuff to me. But on paper at least, xAI looks more promising.

Cool logo but that's it for the moment. Need to actually see plans/goals. That mission statement is all fluff.

Do you think it'll be able to compete in any way? xAI is so far behind Open AI

It can easily reach current Open AI levels. You just need enough computers since Open AI already showed what works.

The difficulty is in making the next big breakthrough. You need a lot of incredible AI engineers and most of those people are already paid like superstars at other companies. xAI needs something to differentiate it from all the other new AI companies and right now they don't have it.

Like you said, just wait and see where it goes.

I was really surprised to read this this morning:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/twitter-rebrands-x-elon-musk-loses-iconic-bird-logo-rcna95880

i feel like twitter is such a large established brand name that it's a mistake to abandon it.    also "X" is just soo lazy and uninspired.  i'm not sure if i'm being offensive or not but when i saw the logo my immediate thought was that legend made it....

Not got a clue what Elon is doing but it seems like a stupid move. Unless he has some great master plan, which isn't obvious.

Twitter was acquired by X Corp both to ensure freedom of speech and as an accelerant for X, the everything app. This is not simply a company renaming itself, but doing the same thing.

The Twitter name made sense when it was just 140 character messages going back and forth – like…

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 25, 2023

https://t.co/4YeQWPz1Xw

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 4, 2023

just called someone on X ????????????????

— Andrea Conway (@ehikian) August 9, 2023

What's twitter?   ::)

I like how in the media it is being called "x, the platform formally known as Twitter."

Now it's "x", do you think the brand change has done much damage?