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Title: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2017, 05:35 AM
EA (Electronic Arts) Responds To Controversy Surrounding Battlefront 2, Comment Gets 8000 Downvotes : bestof (https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/7cjs29/ea_electronic_arts_responds_to_controversy/)

Most downvoted post in reddit history. That's not the best pr...
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 13, 2017, 05:49 AM
i hate reddits format so much.   what was the comment?   i cick the link and it takes me to talking about the comment but not the comment itself.  when i try to click on the headline at the top,  it takes me to the same page..

can you just paste the link to what they said?

edit:  must be its mobile cause i went on my pc and managed to read it lol   ea up to its usual micro transaction bs

edit2: it should also be noted its no longer at 8k.. the number is much higher..
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2017, 06:38 AM
i hate reddits format so much.   what was the comment?   i cick the link and it takes me to talking about the comment but not the comment itself.  when i try to click on the headline at the top,  it takes me to the same page..

can you just paste the link to what they said?

edit:  must be its mobile cause i went on my pc and managed to read it lol   ea up to its usual micro transaction bs

edit2: it should also be noted its no longer at 8k.. the number is much higher..
I linked to the discussion of the post getting downvotes.

Here's a direct link to the post for anyone else: EACommunityTeam comments on Seriously? I paid 80$ to have Vader locked? (https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/)

At -78k right now.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 13, 2017, 07:04 AM
here is a good reference lol

downvoted - ListOfComments (https://www.reddit.com/r/ListOfComments/wiki/downvoted)

it makes all the others look not to bad.. lol

its now at -90k

at this pace its pretty safe to say itll top 100k
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2017, 07:51 AM
Lol, they deserve all of this. Battlefront 2 is significantly iced up thanks to them and they deserve all the shame that's being flung at them.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 13, 2017, 08:46 AM
115k downvotes..

im almost expecting to go to sleep and wake up to 200k.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Nov 13, 2017, 12:12 PM
It's at 200k.
This may actually effect sales
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: BananaKing on Nov 13, 2017, 12:33 PM
It's at 200k.
This may actually effect sales
hopefully it will. and hopefully this loot box and microtransaction thing effects reviews big time. if it reviews low, and has all this controversy around it then it certainly can affect its sales.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2017, 12:33 PM
202k :o

I guess I don't really understand what's going on.

Or if I do understand, I am a little surprised at how much negativity there is.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2017, 12:40 PM
202k :o

I guess I don't really understand what's going on.

Or if I do understand, I am a little surprised at how much negativity there is.
The beta state of the game was the most pay to win battleship I've ever seen in a $60 game, by a long long long way. And they've gone some way to fix it but it's nowhere near enough, as you can see by people's reactions to this.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Nov 13, 2017, 12:52 PM
Battlefront 2 gonna have the biggest drop of a sequel this gen?
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 13, 2017, 02:14 PM
rofl right now it has more down votes then the next top 57 combined..  and since its that far down the list, it adds another to that combined total ever 2k.  infact its gone from 54 to 57 in the last 5 minutes.

i hope this manages to top the rest of the entire list combined.. lol (for ref. thats -351399)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2017, 04:50 PM
202k :o

I guess I don't really understand what's going on.

Or if I do understand, I am a little surprised at how much negativity there is.
The EA comment imo isn't too bad but it's given people an outlet to express their dislike of the situation.

I didn't downvote it but it would be awesome if publishers scaled back their microtransaction plans.



This post could end up having more downvotes than the most upvoted post has upvotes.

rofl right now it has more down votes then the next top 57 combined..  and since its that far down the list, it adds another to that combined total ever 2k.  infact its gone from 54 to 57 in the last 5 minutes.

i hope this manages to top the rest of the entire list combined.. lol (for ref. thats -351399)
Looks like it will.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2017, 04:57 PM
344,000 downvotes holy wow.  :o

So is the thing like boxes of loot, where in order to get something you have to play for 40 hours to get it?  
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 13, 2017, 04:58 PM
345k
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2017, 05:01 PM
345k
346k. :o

It goes up 100-200 every time I refresh.

It'll beat 352k in a few minutes at the rate it's going. 

Well maybe 15 min at most.  Probably more like 5 min.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 13, 2017, 05:13 PM
well it did it!!  it past an ultimate milestone..

it now has more downvotes than the entirety of this list combined..
downvoted - ListOfComments (https://www.reddit.com/r/ListOfComments/wiki/downvoted)

Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2017, 05:57 PM
well it did it!!  it past an ultimate milestone..

it now has more downvotes than the entirety of this list combined..
downvoted - ListOfComments (https://www.reddit.com/r/ListOfComments/wiki/downvoted)


100 on that list?
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2017, 06:06 PM
Oh my god they're selling a "starter pack" for $24 to get an "early advantage in game". HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A starter pack. In a fudgy $60 game.

fudge this shame.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2017, 06:12 PM
Honestly this pricing model/ loot box system would be pretty malicious for even a free to play game. This is just insane. EA saw the trend this year and thought they could push it for maximum $$$, and I hope it severely bites them in the dog.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2017, 06:23 PM
Honestly this pricing model/ loot box system would be pretty malicious for even a free to play game. This is just insane. EA saw the trend this year and thought they could push it for maximum $$$, and I hope it severely bites them in the dog.
Yeah it should have been a big red flag when they said all the game's DLC will be free. Most assumed they were following Titanfall's approach but instead they're chasing microtransaction money.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2017, 06:45 PM
EA: read my lips, no new taxes
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 13, 2017, 06:49 PM
Psst here's the solution to this problem: Don't play all these poorly executed games....

You know which game doesn't habe P2W microtransactions? Persona 5!  8)

Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2017, 06:53 PM
Psst here's the solution to this problem: Don't play all these poorly executed games....

You know which game doesn't habe P2W microtransactions? Persona 5!  8)
Yeah it has to be a super good game to make up for all this shame, and BF2 is not (from my experience in the beta). Red Dead will undoubtedly have a lot of battleship like this too, but it will almost definitely have the quality to make up for it, which is why I'll buy it.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 13, 2017, 07:13 PM
100 on that list?
130 actually which is an odd number lol i just copy and pasted it into excel.

i wish we could see further down the list.   if we use the conservative assumption that the next few hundred at tied with the last on that list,  it has added another 62.  making it have more than the next 192 worst combined.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2017, 07:37 PM
Psst here's the solution to this problem: Don't play all these poorly executed games....

You know which game doesn't habe P2W microtransactions? Persona 5!  8)


We need to make lists of all the good games without microtransactions. It's awesome Horizon didn't have any.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 13, 2017, 08:05 PM
We need to make lists of all the good games without microtransactions. It's awesome Horizon didn't have any.
I think the only game that I played this year that technically had microtransactions was Uncharted TLL, but I didn't go back to the multiplayer so I avoided them.

Sony is generally still pretty good at keeping their games microtransaction free, but I guess that comes with the territory of them making largely singleplayer games.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 13, 2017, 08:11 PM
Yeah it has to be a super good game to make up for all this shame, and BF2 is not (from my experience in the beta). Red Dead will undoubtedly have a lot of battleship like this too, but it will almost definitely have the quality to make up for it, which is why I'll buy it.
And Rockstar is more likely to do it 'right'
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2017, 08:56 PM
I think the only game that I played this year that technically had microtransactions was Uncharted TLL, but I didn't go back to the multiplayer so I avoided them.

Sony is generally still pretty good at keeping their games microtransaction free, but I guess that comes with the territory of them making largely singleplayer games.
The lost legacy has microtransactions!?!?!?! I didn't realise it had any multiplayer.

Sony is generally pretty good but Naughty Dog sure likes them.

And Rockstar is more likely to do it 'right'
Have you seen GTAV?

I don't think it's fair to assume they'll be better than anyone else.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DerNebel on Nov 13, 2017, 08:57 PM
The lost legacy has microtransactions!?!?!?! I didn't realise it had any multiplayer.

Sony is generally pretty good but Naughty Dog sure likes them.
Well it comes with the UC4 multiplayer
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2017, 09:01 PM
We need to make lists of all the good games without microtransactions. It's awesome Horizon didn't have any.
It's funny.  There were some devs who were saying "glad I don't have to deal with this", (while linking the EA post) also people thanking GG for Horizon not having micro-transactions.  
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 13, 2017, 09:25 PM
It's funny.  There were some devs who were saying "glad I don't have to deal with this", (while linking the EA post) also people thanking GG for Horizon not having micro-transactions.  
Glad I don't have to deal with this either. My secret is to just never release a game  ::)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 13, 2017, 09:47 PM
The lost legacy has microtransactions!?!?!?! I didn't realise it had any multiplayer.

Sony is generally pretty good but Naughty Dog sure likes them.
Have you seen GTAV?

I don't think it's fair to assume they'll be better than anyone else.
Well it's popular. Must be doing something right
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 13, 2017, 09:51 PM
Glad I don't have to deal with this either. My secret is to just never release a game  ::)
Or you know, just no micro-transactions, but I suppose you are pretty good at not releasing your game.  ;)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 13, 2017, 10:33 PM
And Rockstar is more likely to do it 'right'
Doubtful. Everything on GTA Online is far too expensive. I can pretty much never afford any of the cool new stuff they put in because I don't play for hours and hours every week.

It's funny.  There were some devs who were saying "glad I don't have to deal with this", (while linking the EA post) also people thanking GG for Horizon not having micro-transactions.  
If you look though there's probably still more games out their without them. Nintendo still don't do microtransactions and most indie games don't. But yeah, AAA has got to that point where not having microtransactions is now considered a positive for the game.

Its all gone too far.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: BananaKing on Nov 13, 2017, 10:53 PM
Glad I don't have to deal with this either. My secret is to just never release a game  ::)
You are worse than Nintendo when it comes to creating artificial demand
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 14, 2017, 12:40 AM
Hero costs have been reduced by 75%

Wow, they're actually listening.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: BananaKing on Nov 14, 2017, 01:00 AM
Hero costs have been reduced by 75%

Wow, they're actually listening.
They aren't listening, they are being hammered into the wall to do this. The way progression works is still iced up, it won't be any better once DLC released and you need to unlock that.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 14, 2017, 03:26 PM
~666k

It's lower than I ever would have expected.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 14, 2017, 03:30 PM
~666k

It's lower than I ever would have expected.
EA is officially evil.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 14, 2017, 03:33 PM
EA removed the refund button on their webpage, and now you have to call them and wait to get a refund. : gaming (https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/7cv8hc/ea_removed_the_refund_button_on_their_webpage_and/)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 14, 2017, 03:39 PM
Rick and Morty Reddit:

(https://i.redd.it/kwelvbmdouxz.jpg)


Jokes Reddit:
EA's microtransaction policy is so bad that...

[This punchline is locked. Please pay 20,000 credits to unlock]

Comment:
Man I'm glad I paid to see the punchline. What a sense of accomplishment

Horizon:

Thank you Guerrilla Games Avoiding Microtransactions : horizon (https://www.reddit.com/r/horizon/comments/7co35s/thank_you_guerrilla_games_avoiding/)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Nov 14, 2017, 05:52 PM
677k. Let's count to a million!
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 14, 2017, 08:03 PM
i doubt itll get a million,  its slowed down  alot lol  would be funny if it did

safe to save it has more then the next 500 combined lol
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 14, 2017, 08:11 PM
They aren't listening, they are being hammered into the wall to do this. The way progression works is still iced up, it won't be any better once DLC released and you need to unlock that.
Well yeah that's what I meant, they're not completely ignoring the controversy and are buckling to some pressure.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 15, 2017, 12:27 AM
~-682k is the final score. It actually increased a bit since I last checked.

3 Hour Cooldown on Credits (https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableTenderCrowLitFam)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: the-pi-guy on Nov 15, 2017, 12:50 AM
~-682k is the final score. It actually increased a bit since I last checked.

3 Hour Cooldown on Credits (https://clips.twitch.tv/AdorableTenderCrowLitFam)
No 1 million, but it's a record that will last a good long time.  (probably.)

9 comments with a positive score (3 points to 422 points)
12 with negative score (-9216 points to -681k)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 15, 2017, 07:43 PM
It's really annoying imo how the reddit AMA has a whole bunch of people practically begging for cosmetic lootboxes. Sure that's better, but those really suck too.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 17, 2017, 12:49 AM
Schreier: EA about to do a big reversal (probably about SWBF2) | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/schreier-ea-about-to-do-a-big-reversal-probably-about-swbf2.6588/)

 
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possibly removing microtrans..  huge if true
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 17, 2017, 01:34 AM
Hopefully we can keep this train going and have other games remove them!
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 17, 2017, 01:37 AM
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EA: AN UPDATE ON STAR WARS BATTLEFRONT II (No MTX @ launch, return later; progression gameplay only) | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/ea-an-update-on-star-wars-battlefront-ii-no-mtx-launch-return-later-progression-gameplay-only.6591/)

 
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Official announcement is out:https://www.ea.com/games/starwars/b...&utm_medium=social&cid=42029&ts=1510882077024 (https://www.ea.com/games/starwars/battlefront/battlefront-2/news/pre-launch-update?utm_campaign=swbf2_hd_na_ic_soco_twt_swbfii-prelaunchblog-tw&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cid=42029&ts=1510882077024)
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Thank you to everyone in our community for being the passionate fans that you are. Our goal has always been to create the best possible game for all of you - devoted Star Wars fans and game players alike. We've also had an ongoing commitment to constantly listen, tune and evolve the experience as it grows. You've seen this with both the major adjustments, and polish, we have made over the past several weeks. But as we approach the worldwide launch, it's clear that many of you feel there are still challenges in the design. We've heard the concerns about potentially giving players unfair advantages. And we've heard that this is overshadowing an otherwise great game. This was never our intention. Sorry we didn't get this right. We hear you loud and clear, so we're turning off all in-game purchases. We will now spend more time listening, adjusting, balancing and tuning. This means that the option to purchase crystals in the game is now offline, and all progression will be earned through gameplay. The ability to purchase crystals in-game will become available at a later date, only after we've made changes to the game. We'll share more details as we work through this. We have created a game that is built on your input, and it will continue to evolve and grow. Star Wars Battlefront II is three times the size of the previous game, bringing to life a brand new Star Wars story, space battles, epic new multiplayer experiences across all three Star Wars eras, with more free content to come. We want you to enjoy it, so please keep your thoughts coming. And we will keep you updated on our progress.Click to expand...
Original story:http://mp1st.com/news/star-wars-bat...y-all-gear-to-be-unlocked-through-progression (http://mp1st.com/news/star-wars-battlefront-2-microtransactions-removed-entirely-all-gear-to-be-unlocked-through-progression)
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Multiple sources have confirmed to MP1st that an announcement is coming very, very soon. Once the official announcement is out we"ll be sure to update the post. It seems Crystals (http://mp1st.com/news/star-wars-battlefront-2-microtransactions-crystals-priced-leaked-by-amazon), the in-game currency that can be bought by real-world money, is off the table! All Star Cards, Heroes, and game-changing items can only be obtained by natural progression (grinding)! When DICE mentioned that a "progression iteration (http://mp1st.com/news/star-wars-battlefront-2-credits-controversy-has-dice-changing-progression-system-once-again)" was incoming at launch, we never thought it'd be this big, but we'll take it with open arms.Click to expand...
From mp1st writer:  excaliburps said: ↑ (http://vizioneck.com/forum/goto/post?id=1057541#post-1057541)  
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FYI, I had multiple sources confirm this within the day. Announcement was supposed to happen earlier, but no idea why it's still not up.Click to expand...
Additionally important: Benji said: ↑ (http://vizioneck.com/forum/goto/post?id=1057795#post-1057795)  
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Key take away I'm going to put out there before this thread gets really bumping. This does not mean "the death of Loot Boxes / MTX". They will continue to be in many games moving forward. What this does mean though is a caution to all developers / publishers to not make overly anti consumer design choices in their personal MTX systems. Still great news for gamers but don't assume this means suddenly the industry will abandon themClick to expand...
Official announcement coming soon from EA Will update OP with official announcement when posted  
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Legend on Nov 19, 2017, 02:13 AM
EA's 'Star Wars Battlefront 2' loot box controversy grips the gaming industry as Disney responds - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2017/11/18/how-a-star-wars-video-game-faced-charges-that-it-was-promoting-gambling/?tid=sm_rd&utm_term=.34e85a8aa574)
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: DD_Bwest on Nov 19, 2017, 03:27 AM
I was in my local indie owned store.  She mentioned they and a whole bunch of others were boycotting until ea had reversed decision cause of the MT's.  they were gonna refuse to stock it and she made it sound like it wasnt a local movement.
Title: Re: EA post on reddit explaining Battlefront controversy
Post by: Xevross on Nov 19, 2017, 10:40 AM
I was in my local indie owned store.  She mentioned they and a whole bunch of others were boycotting until ea had reversed decision cause of the MT's.  they were gonna refuse to stock it and she made it sound like it wasnt a local movement.
Wait so they're not boycotting anymore? EA hasn't changed, they still tried to make a game which forced in microstransactions in such a way that it crippled the entire progression system. I doubt their solution will even change much either.