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Title: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 01:32 PM


Introducing Xbox Series S, Delivering Next-Gen Performance in Our Smallest Xbox Ever, Available November 10 at $299 - Xbox Wire (https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/09/introducing-xbox-series-s/)
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 01:34 PM
3.6 GHz or 3.4 GHz SMT

So lower than PS5.  Here I thought PS5 would hold back the XSX /s

10 GB GDDR6 224 GB/s

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 09, 2020, 01:50 PM
3.6 GHz or 3.4 GHz SMT

So lower than PS5.  Here I thought PS5 would hold back the XSX /s

10 GB GDDR6 224 GB/s


Is that RAM slower than series X?
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 01:52 PM
Is that RAM slower than series X?
Way slower.  
XSX is:

10 GB GPU optimized RAM @ 560GB/s, 6 GB system RAM @ 336 GB/s
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 09, 2020, 02:14 PM
Non directly confirms that there will be series x exclusives.

That's great. The vast majority of games should run wonderfully well on series s but there will still be games that need to skip xbox entirely if they have to support series s.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 09, 2020, 02:16 PM
Way slower.  
XSX is:

10 GB GPU optimized RAM @ 560GB/s, 6 GB system RAM @ 336 GB/s
Yikes, this really is a budget console in every way except CPU. MS gonna have to try and trick people into getting it.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 02:20 PM
Non directly confirms that there will be series x exclusives.

That's great. The vast majority of games should run wonderfully well on series s but there will still be games that need to skip xbox entirely if they have to support series s.
It does?
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 09, 2020, 02:22 PM
Yikes, this really is a budget console in every way except CPU. MS gonna have to try and trick people into getting it.
Don't worry they have their pathetic excuses for journalists already working hard on that for them.

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 09, 2020, 02:26 PM
Don't worry they have their pathetic excuses for journalists already working hard on that for them.


I just saw this on Era, god this guy must be on the MS payroll, I can't stand him.

CPU is the only good thing about Series S and that's only because it needs to have the same one.

XSS vs XSX:

3x worse GPU
2x less storage in SSD
40% less RAM at 60% less speed
no disc drive
same CPU slight downclock

XSS vs PS5 digital:

2.5x worse GPU
60% less storage
50% less I/O SSD speed
40% less RAM at 50% less speed
CPU almost identical

Series S is only for people who are broke. Or for people who fall for Tom Warren's shame.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 02:30 PM
Don't worry they have their pathetic excuses for journalists already working hard on that for them.


And the tweet isn't even right.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 02:41 PM
(https://news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Tech-Specs-1.jpg?w=1187)
8 GB @ 224 GB/s
2 GB @ 56 GB/a

I would hope that doesn't become an issue.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 09, 2020, 02:43 PM
I just saw this on Era, god this guy must be on the MS payroll, I can't stand him.

CPU is the only good thing about Series S and that's only because it needs to have the same one.

XSS vs XSX:

3x worse GPU
2x less storage in SSD
40% less RAM at 60% less speed
no disc drive
same CPU slight downclock

XSS vs PS5 digital:

2.5x worse GPU
60% less storage
50% less I/O SSD speed
40% less RAM at 50% less speed
CPU almost identical

Series S is only for people who are broke. Or for people who fall for Tom Warren's shame.
Yeah Tom Warren is a genuine piece of garbage.

Wonder why he isn't tweeting about how your physical Xbox One games won't work in the Series S.  ::)
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 03:02 PM
(https://news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Tech-Specs-1.jpg?w=1187)
8 GB @ 224 GB/s
2 GB @ 56 GB/a

I would hope that doesn't become an issue.
i'm not game developer here but to me this looks like it will really hold back next gen games if series s support is mandatory.    that or game developers will have to spent a lot of time optimizing the series s release to do more than just "lower resolution".
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 09, 2020, 03:12 PM
i'm not game developer here but to me this looks like it will really hold back next gen games if series s support is mandatory.    that or game developers will have to spent a lot of time optimizing the series s release to do more than just "lower resolution".
Its probably good enough to run any 4K games the same at 1080p with a decent amount of optimisation work, that's 4x less pixels. 1440p is going to be a struggle, maybe if a game is 4k60 it can run 1440p30. Also RT is only gonna work at like 1080p30
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: DerNebel on Sep 09, 2020, 03:23 PM
What a predictable reaction from 2020 resetera to dismiss and shame on a dev's worries over the Series S.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/remedy-technical-producer-on-xbox-series-s-as-a-consumer-i-love-this-as-a-technical-producer-i-see-trouble.283271/page-4

"He's just worried cause it'll cause more work for them" - Well good that that isn't a legitimate worry anymore. Guess we've moved past our pretend outrage over game development crunch.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 03:29 PM
I've lost a lot of interest with the spec sheets. This is a few more concessions than I expected. And I understand the price now.

Feels less like "this is a great deal" and more like "this is what we have to cut to reach our target"

Hopefully the RAM isn't as bad in practice as it looks on paper. 
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 03:32 PM
Its probably good enough to run any 4K games the same at 1080p with a decent amount of optimisation work, that's 4x less pixels. 1440p is going to be a struggle, maybe if a game is 4k60 it can run 1440p30. Also RT is only gonna work at like 1080p30
yeah, but you are assuming that games on xbsx going to be 4k60.   that would be, imo, "holding games back".   you can already see that 30 fps is still going to be the standard on ps5 with sub-4k native resolutions to give more processing power for "other stuff".   oh sure, developers could target 4k60 but as we've seen over and over and over again that means holding back games in other ways.

xbsx will certainly be capable of 4k60 on games like "ori" but for true next gen AAA games it won't be.  ...or shouldn't be.   it will be sub 60 fps and/or sub 4k native resolution.   scale back a game designed for ps5/xbsx at 1440p30 to xbss and what are you left with?   either really low resolutions and framerates or (more likely) developer work to reduce the number of objects on the screen to get back up to acceptable performance.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 03:44 PM
I've lost a lot of interest with the spec sheets. This is a few more concessions than I expected. And I understand the price now. 

Feels less like "this is a great deal" and more like "this is what we have to cut to reach our target"

Hopefully the RAM isn't as bad in practice as it looks on paper.  
i mean it is what it is.   not for me probably but i can see there maybe being a market for it.   i just want to see some practical examples of what it means to games.   give me screenshot comparison and performance levels of specific games.  give me a definitive statement on if every game on series x will be on series s.   

historically i'm not really into ms first party exclusives.    but if their output is truly impressive this gen i'd maybe consider the series s as a secondary console to ps5.  i'm more likely to get a switch because i have young kids but series s makes xbox a much more palatable price for a secondary console.

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 09, 2020, 04:03 PM
I just saw this on Era, god this guy must be on the MS payroll, I can't stand him.

CPU is the only good thing about Series S and that's only because it needs to have the same one.

XSS vs XSX:

3x worse GPU
2x less storage in SSD
40% less RAM at 60% less speed
no disc drive
same CPU slight downclock

XSS vs PS5 digital:

2.5x worse GPU
60% less storage
50% less I/O SSD speed
40% less RAM at 50% less speed
CPU almost identical

Series S is only for people who are broke. Or for people who fall for Tom Warren's shame.
How does it compare to One X?

(https://news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Tech-Specs-1.jpg?w=1187)
8 GB @ 224 GB/s
2 GB @ 56 GB/a

I would hope that doesn't become an issue.

How does it not support 4k? Even Pro and One X do that
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 04:05 PM
How does it not support 4k? Even Pro and One X do that
It does.  
It's just not what they're targeting for the specs.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 09, 2020, 04:06 PM
i'm not game developer here but to me this looks like it will really hold back next gen games if series s support is mandatory.    that or game developers will have to spent a lot of time optimizing the series s release to do more than just "lower resolution".
Probably good for Nintendo in the end. Their Switch pro will probably be close to series S
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 04:06 PM
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 09, 2020, 04:06 PM
It does.  
It's just not what they're targeting for the specs.
But why don't they say 4k? I mean simple games could run at 4k on that
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 04:08 PM
But why don't they say 4k? I mean simple games could run at 4k on that
Because it's about what they expect typical games to support.  
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 09, 2020, 04:09 PM

Unscripted lol. Who was awake in the middle of the night for it?

Because it's about what they expect typical games to support.  
I guess. I'm just used to them quoting the max, not the most likely. Like Pro used 4k for marketing but most games run at less
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 04:11 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehe3iSXWkAEo9ic?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 09, 2020, 04:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehe3iSXWkAEo9ic?format=jpg&name=medium)
That black thing still looks fugly. Grey would be better I think
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 04:17 PM
I guess. I'm just used to them quoting the max, not the most likely. Like Pro used 4k for marketing but most games run at less
They're trying to differentiate between the XSX and XSS for non-techy people.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 04:56 PM
Probably good for Nintendo in the end. Their Switch pro will probably be close to series S
oh goodie.   i'm paying $500 for a ps5 so i can play games ported from switch...
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 09, 2020, 05:05 PM
I've lost a lot of interest with the spec sheets. This is a few more concessions than I expected. And I understand the price now.

Feels less like "this is a great deal" and more like "this is what we have to cut to reach our target"

Hopefully the RAM isn't as bad in practice as it looks on paper.  
Yes, this.

yeah, but you are assuming that games on xbsx going to be 4k60.   that would be, imo, "holding games back".   you can already see that 30 fps is still going to be the standard on ps5 with sub-4k native resolutions to give more processing power for "other stuff".   oh sure, developers could target 4k60 but as we've seen over and over and over again that means holding back games in other ways.

xbsx will certainly be capable of 4k60 on games like "ori" but for true next gen AAA games it won't be.  ...or shouldn't be.   it will be sub 60 fps and/or sub 4k native resolution.   scale back a game designed for ps5/xbsx at 1440p30 to xbss and what are you left with?   either really low resolutions and framerates or (more likely) developer work to reduce the number of objects on the screen to get back up to acceptable performance.
No I'm not. I'm saying if games are capable of 4k60 on XSX then it could be capable of 1440p on XSS. And for the games that won't run 4k60 on XSX then 1440p probably isn't possible, hence the struggle.

If XSX is struggling even to run a game at 4k30 then 1080p30 is the max for series S.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 05:09 PM
i haven't watched it yet because i'm in a meeting but this seems relavant to this thread.

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 05:10 PM
i haven't watched it yet because i'm in a meeting but this seems relavant to this thread.


That is the video in the OP.   :P
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 09, 2020, 05:15 PM
That is the video in the OP.   :P
That's why it's relevant  ::)
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 05:19 PM
That is the video in the OP.   :P
oops..
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 05:22 PM
in truth i just didn't watch the video in the OP because i thought it was this one:

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 05:27 PM
in truth i just didn't watch the video in the OP because i thought it was this one:


That means one of us is a lazy OP. 

And the other is a lazy reader. 
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 05:37 PM
As a next gen console, I much prefer the XSX.

But it's kind of cute as a side thing.  Maybe the PS5 DE slim will be that size. That'd be worth buying.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 09, 2020, 05:42 PM
As a next gen console, I much prefer the XSX.

But it's kind of cute as a side thing.  Maybe the PS5 DE slim will be that size. That'd be worth buying.
the ps5 DE slim will still be bigger than the ps4...
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 09, 2020, 05:43 PM
the ps5 DE slim will still be bigger than the ps4...
That's why they are making the PS5SS (super slim).
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 10, 2020, 03:31 AM
I think this might be the first time in history that a company has made a next gen console "weaker" than their previous console. Series S has all the fancy new next gen features but some games will run better on One X.

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 10, 2020, 07:18 AM
I think this might be the first time in history that a company has made a next gen console "weaker" than their previous console. Series S has all the fancy new next gen features but some games will run better on One X.


Is it weaker?
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 10, 2020, 09:07 AM


Lol
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 10, 2020, 01:08 PM
Is it weaker?
It has a weaker gpu and ram, but can use next gen tricks to make up for that.

Is not strong enough to play xbox one x games unless they are ported.

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 10, 2020, 01:22 PM
It has a weaker gpu and ram, but can use next gen tricks to make up for that.

Is not strong enough to play xbox one x games unless they are ported.
I don't think that's true. The GPU architecture is much better so it is actually a better GPU overall. The RAM is GDDR6 which gives it an advantage, plus it has the SSD and a vastly superior CPU.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 10, 2020, 02:12 PM
I don't think that's true. The GPU architecture is much better so it is actually a better GPU overall. The RAM is GDDR6 which gives it an advantage, plus it has the SSD and a vastly superior CPU.
That's why he mentioned next gen tricks. New features can work more efficiently.  

But older games aren't likely to take advantage of the new architecture.

Remains to be seen how it ends up. GPUs are really complicated. Arithmetic compute is just one part of the puzzle, and I don't think we know how the rest lines up.

(Technically even that comes with a caveat that compute *can* be counted different ways. But I doubt it makes a big difference unless youre comparing really old GPUs to new ones)
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 10, 2020, 02:16 PM


Lol
my god.  there is soo much ignorance in the world.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 10, 2020, 02:36 PM
I wanted to talk about the design before.

After seeing the reveal, it made a lot of sense. 

The Series X has a split motherboard design going along the long part of the console of course.  Series S was likely to have half the board due to a smaller chip size, less ram, less fan needs.  So they make it half as thick.  But then the top isn't big enough for the vent so they move it to the side of course. 

So if you saw the Series X tear down, it seems pretty clear this is what the Series S was going to look like. The small gamecube design wouldn't work without developing another expensive split board.


Exploded view confirms that:

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Still-Image_Xbox-Series-S_6_Exploded-View.jpg

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 10, 2020, 08:25 PM
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 10, 2020, 11:11 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/devs-react-to-the-xbox-series-s-specs.284204/

Quote from: Lant_War, post: 44964011, member: 45877
Following the thread we had for the PS5 spec reveal (http://'https://www.resetera.com/threads/devs-react-to-ps5-specs-twitter-edition.175980/'), I'm making this to compile the reactions from developers across Twitter and other social media. For "Official" reactions, Both Xbox's own YT channel as well as Digital Foundry have uploaded videos on the system:

[MEDIA=youtube]fYtJWIxt3-M[/MEDIA]
[MEDIA=youtube]mL4OC46VzFw[/MEDIA]

As for some of the dev reactions:

Developers talked to Patrick Klepek:


Id Software Programmer:


Remedy Technical Producer:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753726623093882951/unknown.png)

IdSoftware Lead Engine Programmer:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590071524254547978/753720512345276446/EhlC11rWsAEZELo.jpeg)

Infinity Ward Multiplayer Designer:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753725894152945674/unknown.png)

Game Director (ex EA, Infinity Ward and other studios):
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/515617838984069121/753729528441864272/unknown.png)

Remedy Communications Director:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753731815662944326/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753732017761550488/unknown.png)

Flavorworks Creative Director:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753732391478231081/unknown.png)

Squanch Games Gameplay Programmer (full thread here (http://'https://twitter.com/schenksmill/status/1303854003613245446')):
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753733916514582566/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753733969807409152/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753734142205886544/unknown.png)

IdSoftware Engine Programmer:
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/515617838984069121/753739949253197914/unknown.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753748806570344468/unknown.png)

DICE QA:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/515617838984069121/753742681280086036/unknown.png)
Devs are surprisingly? negative about Series S.  
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 11, 2020, 01:02 AM
Glad I'm not the only one.

It is a great device but should not get every game and should function as a half gen console.


It's what one x should have been. If series s released in 2017 for $500, would have had a super great life. I wonder if one x was planned to be an entry level next gen option but plans changed after it was developed.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 02:39 AM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bloomberg-opinion-microsoft%E2%80%99s-xbox-game-plan-has-big-problems.284354/
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 11, 2020, 10:39 AM
Yes initial Series S reaction was very positive due to the price but that's all xbox has going for it. Once Sony start to speak again I think xbox will be in trouble. They just have basically no games for the first year while PS5 is looking to have possibly the best first year for exclusives ever seen.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 12:18 PM
Yes initial Series S reaction was very positive due to the price but that's all xbox has going for it. Once Sony start to speak again I think xbox will be in trouble. They just have basically no games for the first year while PS5 is looking to have possibly the best first year for exclusives ever seen.
yeah but xbox has gamepass.  that means gamers get all of those no games day 1 for just $15 per month.  it's an incredible value..
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 11, 2020, 03:58 PM
yeah but xbox has gamepass.  that means gamers get all of those no games day 1 for just $15 per month.  it's an incredible value..
Old games are back in style now
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 06:11 PM
I don't think that's true. The GPU architecture is much better so it is actually a better GPU overall. The RAM is GDDR6 which gives it an advantage, plus it has the SSD and a vastly superior CPU.
MS confirmed

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-series-s-won%E2%80%99t-apply-xbox-one-x-enhancements-microsoft-confirms.284717/
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: the-pi-guy on Sep 11, 2020, 06:57 PM
Insomniac game director  ;D
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 11, 2020, 07:28 PM
Insomniac game director  ;D

Deleted lol
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 07:29 PM
Insomniac game director  ;D

i have a game night date with one of my best friends on thursdays.  I told him about the series s and his reaction was "what are they trying to do be the next nintendo?  i'm pretty sure nintendo has a lock on the audience that tolerates last gen hardware."

i lol'd.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: BananaKing on Sep 11, 2020, 07:30 PM
Lmao^^

I dont see how anyone could look at that GPU and RAM and expect it not to holdback PS5 and XSX
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Sep 11, 2020, 07:33 PM
Insomniac game director  ;D

Yeah I wonder what it's really for... No next gen games and it won't run games much better if at all, than xb1x
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 07:45 PM
Lmao^^

I dont see how anyone could look at that GPU and RAM and expect it not to holdback PS5 and XSX
series s will probably make or break xbox.   i can see a situation where it does really well and propels xbox back to the top if it can convience the people that typically buy hardware in years 2-4 (post price drops) to pick up an xbox in year 1.  i can also see a situation where it does nothing to improve xbox's sales ratio with playstation and starting in the second half of the gen ps5 starts getting 3rd party exclusives easily because developers don't think it's worth doing the port to series s when it has a low user base.

i'm all over the place on this one.  i just can't see who the hell wants this thing and yet the internet is abuzz with people praising it's sliced bread status.  i can't decide if that will translate to real customers or if it is just xbsx customers hoping for xbox to win against ps5.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 11, 2020, 07:46 PM
i have a game night date with one of my best friends on thursdays.  I told him about the series s and his reaction was "what are they trying to do be the next nintendo?  i'm pretty sure nintendo has a lock on the audience that tolerates last gen hardware."

i lol'd.
Will Series S be a Wii or a Wii U? Only time will decide.

Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Xevross on Sep 11, 2020, 07:48 PM
If PS5 digital is 399 that gives series S a much harder battle.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 08:01 PM
Will Series S be a Wii or a Wii U? Only time will decide.


well if console naming confusion is anything to go on then definitely a wiiU...
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: Legend on Sep 11, 2020, 08:32 PM
well if console naming confusion is anything to go on then definitely a wiiU...
That reminds me. Was googling "one x release date" the other day and Google's "People also asked" section kinda backs up that fear.

Top google search is "Is there a new Xbox coming out in 2020?"

Others are "Which Xbox is best?", "What is the new Xbox called?", "Which Xbox should I buy 2020?"

It is absolutely not a problem if Microsoft markets the systems properly, but it's a lot more complicated than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Inside Series S
Post by: kitler53 on Sep 11, 2020, 08:49 PM
That reminds me. Was googling "one x release date" the other day and Google's "People also asked" section kinda backs up that fear.

Top google search is "Is there a new Xbox coming out in 2020?"

Others are "Which Xbox is best?", "What is the new Xbox called?", "Which Xbox should I buy 2020?"

It is absolutely not a problem if Microsoft markets the systems properly, but it's a lot more complicated than it needs to be.
true that.

hell, there is a xbox one x and a xbox one s already.   they could have just called this the xbox series 2x and series 2s.   would have helped out with the acknowledgement this isn't the first in the line of s and x hardware.