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Title: NPD December 2017 Results: SW ~1.5m, XB1 ~1.36m, PS4 ~1.08m, 3DS ~750k
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 11, 2018, 10:45 PM
All credits to ERA's OP creator!!!

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Thanks to the NPD Group and VentureBeat for the breakdown.

https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/18/december-npd-2017-nintendo-switch-leads-the-hardware-pack-in-a-3-29-billion-month/ (https://venturebeat.com/2018/01/18/december-npd-2017-nintendo-switch-leads-the-hardware-pack-in-a-3-29-billion-month/)

General stats from the NPD report for December 2017


Video from Mat Piscatella, NPD Analyst - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbkjeOT-gdg&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbkjeOT-gdg&feature=youtu.be)

Overall

Quote
It looks like a lot of folks treated themselves to a Nintendo Switch for the holidays last month. The video game industry in December was up 10 percent year-over-year, generating $3.29 billion thanks mainly due to hardware sales, according to industry-tracking firm The NPD Group (https://venturebeat.com/tag/the-npd-group/).
Software

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Software spending was up 1 percent from December 2016, reaching $1.3 billion. After Activision's Call of Duty: WWII's immense month in November, it's unsurprisingly still at the No. 1 spot on the charts.

"Call of Duty: WWII was the best-selling game in December, as well as for the year," said Piscatella. "December 2017 is the eighth consecutive December that a Call of Duty franchise release has topped the sales chart."

Activision Blizzard was the highest earning publisher in 2017, though more folks spent their dollars on Nintendo games in December.
Hardware & Accessories

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Hardware generated $1.3 billion in December, up 27 percent year-over-year and driven mainly by the Switch. As previously mentioned, it became the best-selling console in its first 10 months.

[...]

"Over the first 50 months in market for each console, the combined hardware installed base of the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One now exceeds that of the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 by 18 percent, and that of the PlayStation 2 and Xbox by 4 percent," said Piscatella.

[...]

Despite the growth in software and hardware, the accessories category remained largely unchanged year-over-year. It earned $735 million in December, with consumers shifting their focus from "toys-to-life" (such as Nintendo Amiibo) to cases and organizers.
Software Rankings

Overall


* No PC Digital sales
** No Digital sales

Xbox One

PlayStation 4

Nintendo Switch**

Nintendo 3DS**

Bonus stage: The best selling games of 2017

Overall


Xbox One

PlayStation 4

Nintendo Switch**

Nintendo 3DS**
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Jan 11, 2018, 11:31 PM
The only info until now.


So how has he spun this because I think he has to be talking about revenue and excluding the Switch to make this statement likely.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Legend on Jan 11, 2018, 11:35 PM
That tweet doesn't make any sense?

They've won previous Decembers yet if they won this year they would have said that.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Jan 11, 2018, 11:39 PM
Switch probably won. Retail insiders flat out said that Switch was leading comfortably in December. My guess is it was close with PS4 and he is only counting that.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 12, 2018, 12:06 AM
So how has he spun this because I think he has to be talking about revenue and excluding the Switch to make this statement likely.
Probably. 

I don't think there's any way in heck that they outsold the Switch and PS4 combined. 

I could maybe believe console revenue, especially with the Xbox One X.  Even then, it's kinda hard to believe, if they're including switch.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 12, 2018, 01:32 AM
He clarifies:



/s
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Xevross on Jan 12, 2018, 01:35 AM
Uhhh what does that even mean? Xbox One highest xbox family console share? ;D

Well its impossible they're including Switch in that anyway, since including Switch would probably give Xbox One its lowest market share ever in December. If I was to bet, they're excluding Switch and talking revenue. Since X is so expensive and the Pro was on offer its not surprising they set a new revenue share record vs. PS4

Man did I miss the spin
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 12, 2018, 03:13 AM
He finally clarified.



SW > XB1 > PS4
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: BananaKing on Jan 12, 2018, 04:29 AM
He finally clarified.



SW > XB1 > PS4
He is excluding switch as gen 8 from that it seems. Not sure if he is talking about revenue or not.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Legend on Jan 12, 2018, 06:04 AM
Suprisingly low amount of spin.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jan 12, 2018, 05:04 PM
Terrible Dec for ps4 in that case
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jan 12, 2018, 05:19 PM
It was probably a statistical tie with the Xbox in the +5% range.  Enough to say it outsold the PS4, but not enough to say "We conclusively outsold the PS4".  Since NDP could be wrong with their stats slightly and the PS4 could possibly have outsold the Xbox One + fam.  Either that or Greenberg needs to get fired ASAP cause they're paying him millions of dollars a year to sit at his desk and not understand what his job is.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 12, 2018, 05:29 PM
Leaks from ERA.

[HARDWARE]
SW 100% (base data)
XB1 91%
PS4 72%
3DS 50%
OTHERS 59%

[SOFTWARE]
SW 100% (base data)
XB1 192%
PS4 228%
3DS 54%
OTHERS 50%

Everything in units using the Switch number as base (eg. Switch 100 units, Xbox 91 units, PS4 72 units).

Nobody knows Switch data for hw/sw but it is estimated to be over 1.4m.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Xevross on Jan 12, 2018, 06:21 PM
Unsurprising PS4 had a bad month in the US. Seems like stock was low for cyber monday and on top of that deals for December seemed pretty bad. Worse than November and the same/ worse than last year isn't a good strategy for unit sales. We knew it would be down anyway since it was down YOY WW for the holiday season while having a better BF week and an amazing November NPD this year.

Xbox got it much more right, with better and more sustained December deals.

Switch is Switch and doesn't need deals right now, simples.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Jan 12, 2018, 06:44 PM
Xbox got it much more right, with better and more sustained December deals.
But MS have put themselves in this position where they have to run these deals. Sony is way more smarter because they won't see a massive dive in sales going into the year which MS will probably get with the Xbox.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jan 12, 2018, 07:17 PM
Leaks from ERA.

[HARDWARE]
SW 100% (base data)
XB1 91%
PS4 72%
3DS 50%
OTHERS 59%

[SOFTWARE]
SW 100% (base data)
XB1 192%
PS4 228%
3DS 54%
OTHERS 50%

Everything in units using the Switch number as base (eg. Switch 100 units, Xbox 91 units, PS4 72 units).

Nobody knows Switch data for hw/sw but it is estimated to be over 1.4m.
PS4 woeful but XB1 closer to switch than expected
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Legend on Jan 13, 2018, 03:50 AM
Nice to see at least some numbers, even if they're relative.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Jan 13, 2018, 02:20 PM
Wish we get software numbers for the following:
Mario Odyssey
Grab Turismo Sport
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
COD WW2
Skyrim Switch
Destiny 2
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jan 13, 2018, 04:54 PM
Wish we get software numbers for the following:
Mario Odyssey
Grab Turismo Sport
Xenoblade Chronicles 2
COD WW2
Skyrim Switch
Destiny 2
Did we even get a list?
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Jan 13, 2018, 05:08 PM
Did we even get a list?
Probably not. Someone needs to go pester John Harker or something :P
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 14, 2018, 02:43 PM
Did we even get a list?
Yes... next Thursday.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Jan 14, 2018, 03:32 PM
Yes... next Thursday.
Did you just answer this in the future to the past?
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 18, 2018, 02:15 PM
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180118005439/en/Nintendo-News-Nintendo-Switch-Tops-December-U.S (https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180118005439/en/Nintendo-News-Nintendo-Switch-Tops-December-U.S)

SW 1.5m
3DS 750k

Maths

XB1 91% = 1.36m
PS4 72% = 1.08m
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Xevross on Jan 18, 2018, 07:34 PM
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180118005439/en/Nintendo-News-Nintendo-Switch-Tops-December-U.S (https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180118005439/en/Nintendo-News-Nintendo-Switch-Tops-December-U.S)

SW 1.5m
3DS 750k

Maths

XB1 91% = 1.36m
PS4 72% = 1.08m
Wow that is a huge MOM decline for the PS4
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Legend on Jan 18, 2018, 08:26 PM
Wow that is a huge MOM decline for the PS4
Wasn't Nov 5 weeks? Still large though.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 18, 2018, 10:06 PM
US Video Game Industry Revenue Reaches $36 Billion in 2017 - The Entertainment Software Association (http://www.theesa.com/article/us-video-game-industry-revenue-reaches-36-billion-2017/)
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: SWORDF1SH on Jan 18, 2018, 11:31 PM
US Video Game Industry Revenue Reaches $36 Billion in 2017 - The Entertainment Software Association (http://www.theesa.com/article/us-video-game-industry-revenue-reaches-36-billion-2017/)
Well with another console on the market, this sounds about right.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Xevross on Jan 19, 2018, 01:02 AM
Wasn't Nov 5 weeks? Still large though.
No, November was 4 and December was 5 as always
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: Legend on Jan 19, 2018, 01:21 AM
No, November was 4 and December was 5 as always
Are you sure?

I thought it was based off Thursdays. Not Fridays, Saturdays, or Sundays.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 19, 2018, 01:59 AM
Are you sure?

I thought it was based off Thursdays. Not Fridays, Saturdays, or Sundays.
NPD November 2017 retail period (October 29-November 25, 2017)

NPF December 2017 retail period (November 26-December 30, 2017)
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: ¯\_(?)_/¯
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 19, 2018, 02:50 AM
OP updated (aka copied) from ERA.
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: SW ~1.5m, XB1 ~1.36m, PS4 ~1.08m, 3DS ~750k
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Jan 19, 2018, 01:11 PM
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 sold 280k units at retail in December. With digital it should have a 300k+ debut month in the US
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: SW ~1.5m, XB1 ~1.36m, PS4 ~1.08m, 3DS ~750k
Post by: ethomaz on Jan 19, 2018, 04:15 PM
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 sold 280k units at retail in December. With digital it should have a 300k+ debut month in the US
Good?
Title: Re: NPD December 2017 Results: SW ~1.5m, XB1 ~1.36m, PS4 ~1.08m, 3DS ~750k
Post by: Cute Pikachu on Jan 19, 2018, 09:40 PM
Good?
For a niche series that has never sold a million worldwide its pretty good. XCX did 200k without digital so a 80k increase is good.
Nothing insane like Pokémon, Persona, or Final Fantasy