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Title: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Xevross on Mar 17, 2020, 12:35 PM


https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-mark-cerny-will-provide-a-deep-dive-into-ps5%E2%80%99s-system-architecture-tomorrow-at-9am.175561/ (https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-mark-cerny-will-provide-a-deep-dive-into-ps5's-system-architecture-tomorrow-at-9am.175561/)

Woooh next gen!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Xevross on Mar 17, 2020, 12:37 PM
Rumours are this is a recording of what was going to be a GDC session. We're not sure if it will be full specs like XBX just showed but we'll see.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 17, 2020, 01:55 PM
the big question to me is,.. was this when they wanted to release this or was their hand forced by MS's announcement yesterday?

announcing 1 day later (to me) shows confidence that they will hold up to direct comparison implying specs that are close to xbox and not the underpowered machine that some rumors would like you to believe.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 17, 2020, 01:57 PM
Finally!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Xevross on Mar 17, 2020, 02:01 PM
the big question to me is,.. was this when they wanted to release this or was their hand forced by MS's announcement yesterday?

announcing 1 day later (to me) shows confidence that they will hold up to direct comparison implying specs that are close to xbox and not the underpowered machine that some rumors would like you to believe.
Yep I think the same. Obviously this was meant for GDC initially but given the situation they could have held it for longer. Choosing to release it now exudes an abundance of confidence from Sony I think, PS5 must match up well.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 02:04 PM
I'm ready to be disappointed.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 02:18 PM
Rumours are this is a recording of what was going to be a GDC session. We're not sure if it will be full specs like XBX just showed but we'll see.
PlayStation Japan Twitter says it as such.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 03:16 PM
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: BananaKing on Mar 17, 2020, 03:25 PM
the big question to me is,.. was this when they wanted to release this or was their hand forced by MS's announcement yesterday?

announcing 1 day later (to me) shows confidence that they will hold up to direct comparison implying specs that are close to xbox and not the underpowered machine that some rumors would like you to believe.
Considering the GitHub leak showed inaccurate data for XSX. I think it's fair to doubt its accuracy.

However I dont believe this has much to do with xboxs post, more the fact that this was the time GDC was supposed to happen. Their marketing strategy and advertising plan would have been planned before hand. However, with corona things without a doubt have changed.

I wonder if we will see any game reveals tomorrow, I doubt it. Which is sad.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 05:17 PM
Sometimes I wish there was a secondary universal time that everyone just used.  

Instead of announcing an event at 9AM PST/12 PM ET, just announce the one time.  

Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Mar 17, 2020, 05:53 PM
Hype!

Finally something positive in these difficult times
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 06:47 PM
214k - PlayStation : PS5 in holiday 2020
147k - Santa Monica : Kratos gif
129k - Ape Escape : 20th year anniversary
105k - Naughty Dog : TLOU Part II reveal (PSX 2016)
103k - Neil Druckmann : TLOU Part II shooting finished
96k - PlayStation Japan : PS5 in holiday 2020
90k - PlayStation Japan : Valentine's Day 2019
87.7k - PlayStation : PS5 details reveal announcement
87k - HBO : TLOU Series announcement
85k - PlayStation : ID change feature release
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 06:47 PM
Hype!

Finally something positive in these difficult times
There have been two kinds of people:
-finally something good to talk about
-how inconsiderate of them to talk about this during a pandemic.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 17, 2020, 07:39 PM
Sometimes I wish there was a secondary universal time that everyone just used.  

Instead of announcing an event at 9AM PST/12 PM ET, just announce the one time.  


I mean there is UTC. I use it somewhat regularly.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 17, 2020, 11:21 PM
Its now the fourth biggest PlayStation tweet ever.  

I mean there is UTC. I use it somewhat regularly.
Yeah but not everyone uses it!  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 12:27 AM
We should make a bingo.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 01:32 AM
11 TF20 GB GDDR63.8 Ghz CPUHapticsVRS
4 GB DDR4Game reveal9.2 TFUI seenPSVR mentioned
3.6 GHz CPU12 TF16 GB GDDR6Adaptive triggersSSD plug in
Secondary chipRay tracingFree SpaceRDNA 2Loading Demo
Quick Resume-like feature2 GB DDR4BC mentioned3D audioHDR
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 03:19 AM


Bluepoint technical director.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 03:56 AM
12 hours to go
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:28 AM
11 TF20 GB GDDR63.8 Ghz CPUHapticsVRS
4 GB DDR4Game reveal9.2 TFUI seenPSVR mentioned
3.6 GHz CPU12 TF16 GB GDDR6Adaptive triggersSSD plug in
Secondary chipRay tracingFree SpaceRDNA 2Loading Demo
Quick Resume-like feature2 GB DDR4BC mentioned3D audioHDR


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Pixels
16 teraflopsSecond GPU3D AudioMemory
Cards
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Triggers
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Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 05:24 AM
Why is your free space not in the center?

I was trying to line up a couple sets of specs.
Might be breaking the rules, but technically it makes it harder to win so I figured it was okay
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 09:47 AM
T minus 6 hrs 10 minutes
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: nnodley on Mar 18, 2020, 12:22 PM
This is exciting. Don't disappoint me Sony!!!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 18, 2020, 01:14 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/vO8F4fYQd39h6/source.gif)
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 01:51 PM
2 hours to go. I am really hoping there is a lot of info here.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 02:16 PM
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 02:18 PM

I'm liking that title.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 02:26 PM
52:45 long!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 02:32 PM
52:45 long!
I'm a bit nervous that general gamers will not be the target audience for this but hopefully they haven't overhyped it.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 02:33 PM
I'm a bit nervous that general gamers will not be the target audience for this but hopefully they haven't overhyped it.
Don't worry.  They have.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 02:38 PM
I currently have this on in the background.



I am overhyped lol.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Xevross on Mar 18, 2020, 03:13 PM
This was going to be a GDC talk so I expect it to be tech stuff and no new games. Could be a surprise though.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:36 PM
I forgot how cool Killzone Shadowfall was. Game wasn't the best but it looked great.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:48 PM
I bet 300k will be watching by the time it starts.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:55 PM
293k, called it!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:55 PM
How is sony late?
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:56 PM
343k now
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:57 PM
1:30 now lol
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: BananaKing on Mar 18, 2020, 03:57 PM
Hype yall
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:57 PM
This is it! Time to get nerdy tech info!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 03:59 PM
About 430k.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 03:59 PM
Is this a fake show?
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 03:59 PM
9.2 TF of disappointment here we go.  ;)
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:00 PM
Eurogamer dropped the specs.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:07 PM
PS5 SSD is about twice as fast as Xbox Series X.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:07 PM
Yeah the fast SSD enables a lot of really cool things
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:09 PM
Fun fact about Jak II, there were special rooms, where they would hide load times behind.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:09 PM
And cutscenes were all real time, so that was pretty cool for back then.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:09 PM
This past week, I found Half Life does the same thing with the rooms.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:10 PM
What do you mean with rooms? Just unnecessary rooms to slow players down?
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:12 PM
Somewhat.  
Basically you'd enter a room with vault doors on both sides.  The game would close the previous door, and open the next one with probably 20 seconds of waiting.  

It felt like a reasonable part of the world, but really, the main purpose was to hide loading screens.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:13 PM
Yeah I discovered something like that recently in Control.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:13 PM
Doors would be locked while the stuff behind them loaded in
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:13 PM
Was annoying
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:16 PM
It's not related, but real time cutscenes are kind of cool.  

You could crash one of the hover cars in the game right where a cutscene would happen, and you could have a burning hover car in the background, while the characters are just carrying on with stuff.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:23 PM
It's cool that Sony isn't forcing proprietary ssds
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:25 PM
Yep.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:25 PM
He's prepping us for the TF number.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Xevross on Mar 18, 2020, 04:30 PM
Sony really misjudged the mood with this I think.
He's prepping us for the TF number.  
(https://i.imgur.com/81nI3MQ.png)

We already know the specs Eurogamer released them on the hour. 10.28Tflops
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:31 PM
Yeah I don't think gamers were wanting a talk like this.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:31 PM
We already know the specs Eurogamer released them on the hour. 10.28Tflops
Eurogamer dropped the specs.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:39 PM
PSVR mentioned!  Told ya guys 8)
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:39 PM
You win Pi!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:40 PM
I've never been one that really cares about audio.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:41 PM
lol
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:41 PM
Cerny: right THERE!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:42 PM
Um I mean I love audio.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:42 PM
Hmmm FFT.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:43 PM
3D audio with headphones actually is really cool. It blows your mind when it works.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:44 PM
Yeah.  I usually haven't liked headphones, but they are great.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:44 PM
I could see this being a gamechanger for PS5 VR.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 04:45 PM
Definitely thinking I'll get both systems this gen.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 04:46 PM
I think PS5 is great hardware but as I said before I worry about how they are handling marketing and the business side of things. So far it's not a smooth launch.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: nnodley on Mar 18, 2020, 04:48 PM
So both are really capable machines.  Who would have thunk it.

I enjoy playstation more so i'll always get new PS consoles at launch.  Might look into series x eventually. But i've got a monster PC so may not be worth it.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 06:09 PM

So only about 100 PS4 games will be playable day 1?  


Quote
Lastly, we're excited to confirm that the backwards compatibility features are working well. We recently took a look at the top 100 PS4 titles as ranked by play time, and we're expecting almost all of them to be playable at launch on PS5. With more than 4000 games published on PS4, we will continue the testing process and expand backwards compatibility coverage over time.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: BananaKing on Mar 18, 2020, 07:09 PM
It's a great console and to be honest exceeds what I expected before any leaks happened.

I expected a slightly higher TF number but RDNA will make the performance much higher than that TF number shows. They also have a strong CPU this time

SSD and raytracing is a big deal. It's an extremely powerful machine and we will most likely get a pro version that will be an absolute beast.

If this retails for 399 then holy shame
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 07:11 PM
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Mar 18, 2020, 07:46 PM
Ive been out of the loop, but it seems weaker this time around.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Xevross on Mar 18, 2020, 07:49 PM
Yeah PS5 seems like a cheaper BOM than XSX but its focussed much more where it counts and optimised better for a next gen system. Seems like Sony cared more deeply about bottlenecks and making sure everything works well together while MS just pumped the numbers up.

XSX may manage more frame rates if unlocked and a higher resolution if variable but most games should be 4K60fps anyway, and PS5 looks like a true generational leap with the SSD.

PS5 should be cheaper and feel more next gen, as long as it is powerful enough to hit 4k60 on every big game. If that happens, Sony are onto a winner yet again.
 
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Mar 18, 2020, 07:56 PM
Well, i read the xbox thread. So there will be two and the one they showed off is the high end?
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 08:01 PM
Well, i read the xbox thread. So there will be two and the one they showed off is the high end?
The second one isn't confirmed by MS. 
It's confirmed by pretty much everyone else though. 
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 08:12 PM

I think PS5 is great hardware
Great hardware, but I was hoping for slightly better.
 
But still, better than I was expecting, but I thought I was being very pessimistic there.  


Quote
but as I said before I worry about how they are handling marketing and the business side of things. So far it's not a smooth launch.
It just feels like they are making a lot of misteps here.  
BC, is it full or not?  Why would there only be ~100 titles at launch, if it was so important to them?  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Mar 18, 2020, 08:29 PM
I dont think he meant that only 100 would work. Just that they made sure the top 100 would.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 18, 2020, 08:31 PM
4k 60 fps will not be standard next gen.

I think this gen could end up with both systems having pros and cons. It's more like 360 vs ps3 than xb1 vs ps4.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 08:56 PM
4k 60 fps will not be standard next gen.
It won't be. 

But it feels like MS wants:
Series S to be a decent 1080p60 machine.
Series X to be a decent 4K60 machine.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: BananaKing on Mar 18, 2020, 09:04 PM
Yeah PS5 seems like a cheaper BOM than XSX but its focussed much more where it counts and optimised better for a next gen system. Seems like Sony cared more deeply about bottlenecks and making sure everything works well together while MS just pumped the numbers up.

XSX may manage more frame rates if unlocked and a higher resolution if variable but most games should be 4K60fps anyway, and PS5 looks like a true generational leap with the SSD.

PS5 should be cheaper and feel more next gen, as long as it is powerful enough to hit 4k60 on every big game. If that happens, Sony are onto a winner yet again.
 
Both are beasts. Xb1 has the faster CPU and higher TF. PS5 has a faster GPU which has extra benefits. We will see a marginal difference in multiplate games. It's not like this gen where there was a 40% power difference and PS4 has faster and better memory.

To be honest I dont care about the power difference here. Its minimal. They are both high end machines and I bet we will see some extremely impressive stuff on both
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Xevross on Mar 18, 2020, 09:22 PM
Great hardware, but I was hoping for slightly better.
 
But still, better than I was expecting, but I thought I was being very pessimistic there.  


It just feels like they are making a lot of misteps here.  
BC, is it full or not?  Why would there only be ~100 titles at launch, if it was so important to them?  
Yeah where did you get the ~100 titles from? He said they tested the top 100 by playtime and almost all of them worked off the bat which tells me that almost all PS4 games will work in BC straight away.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 18, 2020, 09:39 PM
Yeah where did you get the ~100 titles from? He said they tested the top 100 by playtime and almost all of them worked off the bat which tells me that almost all PS4 games will work in BC straight away.
It's bungled messaging.  

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Lastly, we're excited to confirm that the backwards compatibility features are working well. We recently took a look at the top 100 PS4 titles as ranked by play time, and we're expecting almost all of them to be playable at launch on PS5. With more than 4000 games published on PS4, we will continue the testing process and expand backwards compatibility coverage over time

They are talking about expanding coverage, but the only current quantifier for coverage is the 100 games.  

ResetEra and most media outlets are taking it to mean only the 100 games are what's working.  

So that's the ambiguity that Sony needs to cover.  

How many games are going to work at launch?  How many work right now?  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: kitler53 on Mar 19, 2020, 12:46 PM
while i agree this was not a good marketing piece for the general public,.. i found it quite interesting.  tons more informative than MS's "spec sheet".   we should always count on cerny making a well designed console and this will be no exception.

personally, i really like the 3D audio part.  that is really exciting to me.


as far as bungling the BC messaging goes,.. i pretty much disagree with you guys.  i thought the messaging was clear.   i the "unclarity" is coming from the xbox fanbase that will intentionally misrepresent any information they can to try and make it look bad.  this is just a fanboy war tactic.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 19, 2020, 07:17 PM
Shots fired!
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 19, 2020, 07:35 PM
Shots fired!

That pretty much sums up how horrible this reveal was.

The PS5 is amazing. It is not a weak half baked next gen system like lots of people are treating it. If Sony came out with real next gen games that showed off these features, we'd only have the normal fanboy warz where everyone argues their preferred system is the best.

Instead fans are having to rely on "internet experts" to interpret specs for them. The average gamer will look at the numbers side by side and really only understand that XSX has bigger numbers.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Mar 19, 2020, 08:19 PM
So only about 100 PS4 games will be playable day 1?  


Uhm I don't see how so many misunderstood that. He didn't exclude the rest

Yeah PS5 seems like a cheaper BOM than XSX but its focussed much more where it counts and optimised better for a next gen system. Seems like Sony cared more deeply about bottlenecks and making sure everything works well together while MS just pumped the numbers up.

XSX may manage more frame rates if unlocked and a higher resolution if variable but most games should be 4K60fps anyway, and PS5 looks like a true generational leap with the SSD.

PS5 should be cheaper and feel more next gen, as long as it is powerful enough to hit 4k60 on every big game. If that happens, Sony are onto a winner yet again.
 
Combine that with 3d audio and it sounds like they're doing more than just power
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 22, 2020, 07:16 PM
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 24, 2020, 12:22 AM
It's interesting how both consoles have a lot of dedicated hardware.
Like apparently the PS5 dedicates more CPU power to the decompression for the SSD than the main CPU. 

Not to mention dedicated audio. 

Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 24, 2020, 12:41 AM
It's interesting how both consoles have a lot of dedicated hardware.
Like apparently the PS5 dedicates more CPU power to the decompression for the SSD than the main CPU.  

Not to mention dedicated audio.  


It's because moore's law isn't what it used to be. Dedicated hardware allows devices to keep getting better without the same transistor bumps.


Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 25, 2020, 01:29 AM


Shots fired.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 25, 2020, 03:32 AM


Shots fired.
It's funny because the ssd allows a lot of the same tricks I'm doing with proc gen.

In the Forged Kingdoms it takes just a second or so to generate a new world from the player's perspective. It allows the entire world to "stream" as the player moves in any direction.

For non proc gen games, the same is now possible for massive worlds shipped on the game disc. They can be fully seamless without slow sections stringing places together. Think Star Citizen and Beyond Good and Evil 2. A city can just be part of the world instead of being a node.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Mar 25, 2020, 02:29 PM
So are they wrong or ?
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 25, 2020, 02:41 PM
So are they wrong or ?
SSDs at these speeds are gamechangers. Anyone who says they'll only decrease load times is wrong.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 25, 2020, 02:56 PM
So are they wrong or ?
Well the digital foundry guy says he was arguing that the much faster speeds on PS5 won't do much more than the speeds on XSX.  
Not that the SSD won't change things.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 25, 2020, 03:11 PM
Well the digital foundry guy says he was arguing that the much faster speeds on PS5 won't do much more than the speeds on XSX.  
Not that the SSD won't change things.  
For a multiplat yeah, you can't have different layouts per system. PS5 can have better textures and lod though. Will be funny if most ps5 games look better but run at a slightly lower resolution.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 26, 2020, 10:05 PM
13 million+ views, and surprisingly positive response.  

A lot of people joking that its a lecture.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 28, 2020, 04:32 PM
Fun fact the SSD in the PS5 has about half the bandwidth of the Wii U's main RAM.  

A lot of the PS5's designs feels like it's an effort to correct criticism about the PS4.  Most notably the cooling system.  
And the SSD also feels like it helps Sony's goals of getting away from load times that previous consoles had issues with.  
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Mar 29, 2020, 09:27 PM
For a multiplat yeah, you can't have different layouts per system. PS5 can have better textures and lod though. Will be funny if most ps5 games look better but run at a slightly lower resolution.
I think the PS5 might be ahead in rasterization
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Mar 29, 2020, 09:54 PM
I think the PS5 might be ahead in rasterization
Will be fun to find out exactly how both systems compare. I wouldn't expect PS5 games to run at higher resolutions than XSX games but so much goes into graphics nowadays. Maybe XSX has an unknown bottleneck where all that power can't go towards extra pixels.

Also with variable rate shading and all the reconstruction techniques that will probably become standard next gen, we might not even be able to use resolution as a proper power test. I'm excited!

Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 02, 2020, 03:13 PM



PlayStation 5 uncovered: the Mark Cerny tech deep dive • Eurogamer.net (https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-the-mark-cerny-tech-deep-dive)
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 03, 2020, 04:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wgjLiZE.png)
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Apr 03, 2020, 09:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wgjLiZE.png)
Haha this is so fitting for Cerny
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 04, 2020, 11:05 PM
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Apr 05, 2020, 02:03 AM
What does that person mean?

PBR is standard.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 05, 2020, 02:12 AM


What does that person mean?

PBR is standard.
Some of it sounds less like a rendering challenge and more about optimizing stuff.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: Legend on Apr 05, 2020, 02:29 AM

Some of it sounds less like a rendering challenge and more about optimizing stuff.
Yeah it's all about making a workflow. For example in Horizon they modeled low lod plants first and then designed the higher res models off that.

PS5 speeds up the workflow for the memory side of things a huge amount, but I'm not sure how that affects photorealism and lighting.
Title: Re: PS5 Specs to Be Revealed by Mark Cerny Tomorrow 9AM PST
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 05, 2020, 03:56 AM
I don't know enough about it.  Just sounded interesting.  
The guy was supposedly a former technical art lead at Naughty Dog.  

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On another note, to me it feels like Sony's focus with PS5 was:
1.) Make it BC.
2.) Ensure there's no overheating
3.) Make it powerful.

Pretty much in that order.