VizionEck

i'm starting this thread to open discussion on this.   

I know a lot of you are european so i'm curious to your outlook here.  as an american i certainly don't have much ground to stand on wrt to being anti-invasion but it makes me soo sad knowing that probably thousands to millions of ukrainians are going to be murdered soon.   i feel so helpless and frustrated.  

Its crazy. I few years back my cousin was studying in Ukraine, then that whole russia/Ukraine thing happened and suddenly overnight he was "in russia" despite not moving.

Im not sure of exactly whats going on, but I certainly don't want no war to start.

Invasion has started. I don't know what I can do but I hope and pray for peace as soon as possible.

I'm literally weeping right now.  Putin must be stopped. 

pic.twitter.com/IaqFbpayqz

— Ukraine / ??????? (@Ukraine) February 24, 2022

I'm literally weeping right now.  Putin must be stopped.

Same. I can't believe this is happening in 2022.

This has clearly been planned for some time. Putin justifying everything he does with some battleship, and banning Russian media from reporting on anything other than official reports from the government.

pic.twitter.com/IaqFbpayqz

— Ukraine / ??????? (@Ukraine) February 24, 2022

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thanks.  i don't know why i can never get this to work correctly.

thanks.  i don't know why i can never get this to work correctly.

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got it!  thanks,.. i'll try to remember that.

Long story short: I just walked to Poland.

It was a hellish 20-hour journey undertaken in the middle of winter with thousands of refugees. I saw some terrible things:

— Ukraine Conflict Live 2022 (@UkraineLive2022) February 25, 2022

I just get sad thinking about all the children going through this

me too. 

I'm disappointed that we are only offering sanctions.   I'm ready to fight to protect the rights democracy give me over a brutal authoritarian like Putin. 

The mood on Russian TV is euphoric.

I do not recall American war coverage like this, even during the Iraq Invasion.

So much laughter. Such big smiles.

As someone who has tried hard to present the Russian perspective to Americans, I'm grossed out.

— Clint Ehrlich (@ClintEhrlich) February 24, 2022

this may be a media echo chamber confirmation bias but...

...it seems like Ukraine is doing a good job defending itself.  better than I expected at least. 

Putin has lost control of the narrative and even china took a step away from russia today.   Putin might lose this,.. or maybe will just start a nuclear Holocaust.  

this may be a media echo chamber confirmation bias but...

...it seems like Ukraine is doing a good job defending itself.  better than I expected at least.

Putin has lost control of the narrative and even china took a step away from russia today.   Putin might lose this,.. or maybe will just start a nuclear Holocaust.  

I debated about posting something similar. I hope it's true.

so I saw zelenskyy asked for aid in cyber warfare to deter russia.  ...so how does one go about helping?

Sounded like a few of Russia's allies were declining to support Russia.

And countries across the board are putting sanctions on Russia.

I'm calling it now...

...Putin has such little respect for human life.  ...Putin has such little tolerance to anyone dissenting against his authoritarian rule.   ...Putin is in this for himself and doesn't actually give a shame about his country's citizen.   ...Putin is so old he has nothing to live for if his rule is not absolute. 

Putin will use his nukes. 

I'm calling it now...

...Putin has such little respect for human life.  ...Putin has such little tolerance to anyone dissenting against his authoritarian rule.   ...Putin is in this for himself and doesn't actually give a shame about his country's citizen.   ...Putin is so old he has nothing to live for if his rule is not absolute.

Putin will use his nukes.

On the one hand he's smart enough to know that the outcome would not help him.

On the other hand, his fragile ego might see it as preferable to being beaten.

I can imagine that China would start pushing hard if Putin started pushing nukes.

On the one hand he's smart enough to know that the outcome would not help him.

On the other hand, his fragile ego might see it as preferable to being beaten.

I can imagine that China would start pushing hard if Putin started pushing nukes.

at the end of WW2 Hitler committed suicide rather than face the consequences of his action.    Hitler didn't have nukes.  

when Putin feels like defeat is near he'll choose suicide as well,..  but choose to take the hole world with him. 

china won't have time to do shame.  once the first nuke is launched it will be nuclear winter in a matter of minutes.  Russian isn't going to launch a "warning" nuke.  when they launch he'll launch all 1500 nukes at once. 

at the end of WW2 Hitler committed suicide rather than face the consequences of his action.    Hitler didn't have nukes.  

when Putin feels like defeat is near he'll choose suicide as well,..  but choose to take the hole world with him.

china won't have time to do shame.  once the first nuke is launched it will be nuclear winter in a matter of minutes.  Russian isn't going to launch a "warning" nuke.  when they launch he'll launch all 1500 nukes at once.

Could they even do that? They haven't even been tested for decades

Its so.... interesting.. seeing how the west and people from the west have reacted to this war. Obviously its a crisis, unjust and a huge issue. And the blame and negativity putin is getting is all justified, and I condemn him too.


But Russia has been testing and using these same military weapons and tactics in Syria for years. Over 20,000 people died as a result of that consisting of both civilians and fighters. Hospitals, schools, infrastructure and more were destroyed. And what was the reaction to all that? Nothing. What sanctions were set on russia? Nothing. What kind of outrage did we see from the west? Nothing.

And then the suprise about one country invading another, it wasnt long ago when another country invaded and destroyed another country, when USA invaded Iraq under false pretenses, perhaps more false than putins current battleship reasons, perhaps not, which reason is more full of shame doesn't matter, as both of them are full of shame.

As far as using nukes, well its clearly a justified concern. But the only country in history to use nukes in war was the USA, and they did that when they were in a winning position. So honestly if things escalate (and which I really really hope they dont, as well as everyone here clearly does as well) I personally am more afraid that the USA will use nuclear weapons, again. The fact that the US also continously tries to justify its use of nukes before and acts like it has the moral high ground is more concerning. Because it shows they probably would do it again.

Im not posting this to silence or "guilt" people into posting about this, On the contrary, I am full of support of it and hope the extreme pressure Russia and putin are getting help make him back down. Having lived in the west and lived in 3 continents before, I know that people in the west dont get a lot of news of the shame that happens around the world, shame that happens in the middle east, Africa and Asia rarely gets reported. So it doesn't suprise me a lot of people dont know the shame Russia has did to a lot of people before.

#BREAKING: The media report a powerful explosion in Cherkasy. #UkraineRussiaWar #UkraineUnderAttack #UkraineInvasion pic.twitter.com/8w0Ha3vscI

— Update Ukraine situation ???????? (@_conflitfrance) February 27, 2022

Its so.... interesting.. seeing how the west and people from the west have reacted to this war. Obviously its a crisis, unjust and a huge issue. And the blame and negativity putin is getting is all justified, and I condemn him too.


But Russia has been testing and using these same military weapons and tactics in Syria for years. Over 20,000 people died as a result of that consisting of both civilians and fighters. Hospitals, schools, infrastructure and more were destroyed. And what was the reaction to all that? Nothing. What sanctions were set on russia? Nothing. What kind of outrage did we see from the west? Nothing.

And then the suprise about one country invading another, it wasnt long ago when another country invaded and destroyed another country, when USA invaded Iraq under false pretenses, perhaps more false than putins current battleship reasons, perhaps not, which reason is more full of shame doesn't matter, as both of them are full of shame.

As far as using nukes, well its clearly a justified concern. But the only country in history to use nukes in war was the USA, and they did that when they were in a winning position. So honestly if things escalate (and which I really really hope they dont, as well as everyone here clearly does as well) I personally am more afraid that the USA will use nuclear weapons, again. The fact that the US also continously tries to justify its use of nukes before and acts like it has the moral high ground is more concerning. Because it shows they probably would do it again.

Im not posting this to silence or "guilt" people into posting about this, On the contrary, I am full of support of it and hope the extreme pressure Russia and putin are getting help make him back down. Having lived in the west and lived in 3 continents before, I know that people in the west dont get a lot of news of the shame that happens around the world, shame that happens in the middle east, Africa and Asia rarely gets reported. So it doesn't suprise me a lot of people dont know the shame Russia has did to a lot of people before.

We've discussed some things here before

One Day After Warning Russia of Civilian Casualties, the U.S. Bombs a Hospital in Afghanistan (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=2742.msg124476#msg124476)

The Gaza situation: Disgusting display of evil (https://vizioneck.com/forum/index.php?topic=398.msg17015#msg17015)

But there is of course some truth in this. The sad truth is that people care more when they can relate with or put themselves in the shoes of others. That's easier when the people are more like you in a cultural way among other things. Ukraine is also in Europe and Europeans worry about war coming to them as a result.

The other events were definitely talked about, but this does feel like it's getting more action than any previous event.
If I had to guess the big reason this is getting more attention is in part due to being a bigger country, and being in Europe. America definitely doesn't care as much about Africa and the Middle East, and Europe probably cares more about Russia getting closer to western Europe than they really care about the Middle East.

apparently it is against the terms of service to google "hacktivism" or "hacktivist".

https://nypost.com/2022/03/02/russian-primary-school-kids-arrested-in-russia-for-anti-war-protests-politician/

heartbreaking to see a school aged kid in jail for voicing an opinion.   

Its so.... interesting.. seeing how the west and people from the west have reacted to this war. Obviously its a crisis, unjust and a huge issue. And the blame and negativity putin is getting is all justified, and I condemn him too.


But Russia has been testing and using these same military weapons and tactics in Syria for years. Over 20,000 people died as a result of that consisting of both civilians and fighters. Hospitals, schools, infrastructure and more were destroyed. And what was the reaction to all that? Nothing. What sanctions were set on russia? Nothing. What kind of outrage did we see from the west? Nothing.

And then the suprise about one country invading another, it wasnt long ago when another country invaded and destroyed another country, when USA invaded Iraq under false pretenses, perhaps more false than putins current battleship reasons, perhaps not, which reason is more full of shame doesn't matter, as both of them are full of shame.

As far as using nukes, well its clearly a justified concern. But the only country in history to use nukes in war was the USA, and they did that when they were in a winning position. So honestly if things escalate (and which I really really hope they dont, as well as everyone here clearly does as well) I personally am more afraid that the USA will use nuclear weapons, again. The fact that the US also continously tries to justify its use of nukes before and acts like it has the moral high ground is more concerning. Because it shows they probably would do it again.

Im not posting this to silence or "guilt" people into posting about this, On the contrary, I am full of support of it and hope the extreme pressure Russia and putin are getting help make him back down. Having lived in the west and lived in 3 continents before, I know that people in the west dont get a lot of news of the shame that happens around the world, shame that happens in the middle east, Africa and Asia rarely gets reported. So it doesn't suprise me a lot of people dont know the shame Russia has did to a lot of people before.

I don't know the details of when they attacked Syria, but it appears they were in a position of power when they attacked.  When they attacked Ukraine and failed miserably, the world smelled blood in the water.  They saw the opportunity to destroy Russia and they're taking it.  Modern wars are fought with money, and Russia just North Korea'd themselves.

so dumb question,...

as russia moves to block all information about the war from its citizens,.. what's to stop more private communications.  basically, is there any way to get a list of russian citizen's emails and just send them pictures of the war?

A lot of companies. McDonalds, Sony, MS, etc have halted sales in Russia.

Sony PlayStation suspending software/hardware sales in Russia. pic.twitter.com/5vuQfqWjXW

— Stephen Totilo (@stephentotilo) March 9, 2022

I've never seen this kind of action.

there was an article on the NYT that was pretty spot on.   Russia is bein "cancelled".   war is no longer a thing between heads of state,... everyone now participates and the west have collectively canceled russia in a way i don't think putin could have ever imagined.   remains to be seen if it will work.   

there is a saying that goes along the lines of "you can't just not do business with bad people".   seems "the people" disagree with that statement.  things will get very interesting once china invades Taiwan.    Can we really cancel china?   ...if i was a western business owner with dealings in china i would be preparing for that because i think it's very likely to happen.

I don't really have words for this tweet. Posted from the head of the Russian space program.

pic.twitter.com/PKYgyxss9D

— ??????? (@Rogozin) March 11, 2022

It doesn't even put Russia in a positive light.

ffs.  ffs man.  

What.  The.. fudge...

I don't really have words for this tweet. Posted from the head of the Russian space program.

pic.twitter.com/PKYgyxss9D

— ??????? (@Rogozin) March 11, 2022

It doesn't even put Russia in a positive light.

Uhm what was the point of that. To show Russia is a bully?

Uhm what was the point of that. To show Russia is a bully?

For some reason a lot of people associate being a bully to being strong.

They think being a bully can actually be good because they view it as a sign of strength.

Russia bombed a theatre with possibly hundreds of people, families in Mariupol today. The Ukrainians had even spelled "children" in big letters on the ground on both sides of the building. fudgy scum.

Russia bombed a theatre with possibly hundreds of people, families in Mariupol today. The Ukrainians had even spelled "children" in big letters on the ground on both sides of the building. fudgy scum.

Im always amazed at how inhumane some people can become. This isn't just putin, this is his generals too, his advisors, his soldiers. These are all people who want to do this shame. Its sickening

russia is not escalating their "not a war" by:
- calling up 300,000 reservists
- pretty directly threatening to nuke NATO countries
- holding sham elections to claim parts of Ukraine as Russia insisting that will have to lead to an immediate cease fire or "their borders" are being threatened....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-russian-military-ukraine-war-rcna48585

ffs i hate men with delusions of grandeur.  

russia is not escalating their "not a war" by:
- calling up 300,000 reservists
- pretty directly threatening to nuke NATO countries
- holding sham elections to claim parts of Ukraine as Russia insisting that will have to lead to an immediate cease fire or "their borders" are being threatened....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-russian-military-ukraine-war-rcna48585

ffs i hate men with delusions of grandeur.  

Apparently there's classified parts to that callup and it's up to a million.  They'll probably station another 300k soldiers in the next few weeks. Not to relieve the exhausted ~300k they already sent (60kish are dead or injured) but to send them to the slaughter.  The other 700k I would imagine they'd piece meal throughout the months as they train them with... farmers?  Since all their colonels, generals and officers are at the war front already.

Apparently there's classified parts to that callup and it's up to a million.  They'll probably station another 300k soldiers in the next few weeks. Not to relieve the exhausted ~300k they already sent (60kish are dead or injured) but to send them to the slaughter.  The other 700k I would imagine they'd piece meal throughout the months as they train them with... farmers?  Since all their colonels, generals and officers are at the war front already.

yeah.  I fear that's how it will go. 

as much as I hate Putin I feel bad for ordinary Russians.  state run media.  opposition gets murdered. sham elections. 

Putin can't train or equip these solders.   they don't deserve to be meat shields. 

yeah.  I fear that's how it will go.

as much as I hate Putin I feel bad for ordinary Russians.  state run media.  opposition gets murdered. sham elections.

Putin can't train or equip these solders.   they don't deserve to be meat shields.

Nope.

Didn’t post this when it came out on Wed. @ChristopherJM in his new piece suggests the outages started earlier. Worrying. https://t.co/hOqahvXCSG pic.twitter.com/eHQTD5YKJ1

— Oliver Carroll (@olliecarroll) October 7, 2022

Ukrainian troops have reported outages of their Starlink communication devices on the frontline, hindering efforts to liberate territory from Russian forces, according to Ukrainian officials and soldiers. Some outages led to a “catastrophic” loss of communication in recent weeks https://t.co/mdhwCtAtk7

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) October 7, 2022

i fudgy hate musk.

Didn’t post this when it came out on Wed. @ChristopherJM in his new piece suggests the outages started earlier. Worrying. https://t.co/hOqahvXCSG pic.twitter.com/eHQTD5YKJ1

— Oliver Carroll (@olliecarroll) October 7, 2022

Ukrainian troops have reported outages of their Starlink communication devices on the frontline, hindering efforts to liberate territory from Russian forces, according to Ukrainian officials and soldiers. Some outages led to a “catastrophic” loss of communication in recent weeks https://t.co/mdhwCtAtk7

— Dmitri Alperovitch (@DAlperovitch) October 7, 2022

Unless they have a huge amount of evidence to back that up, this just seams like a lie. There would be plenty of leaks from within SpaceX if Musk ordered starlink throttled/disabled.

EDT: this makes sense

Ukrainians advancing so fast that Starlink can't keep up. This will be fixed pic.twitter.com/PYoRVo1Ffr

— Decaf Dorsey ???????? ???????? (@thewiretwo) October 7, 2022

i fudgy hate musk.

Was so hard watching this video and then seeing him posting his stupid take.

While our enemy tries to defeat Ukraine using 50-year-old tanks and 100-year-old guns, our military has technology of the 21st century - Starlink!
Guess who is going to win?
Thank you @elonmusk!
???? @RomanNikolayev pic.twitter.com/Lj0Kv1gl4w

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) September 29, 2022

EDT: this makes sense

Ukrainians advancing so fast that Starlink can't keep up. This will be fixed pic.twitter.com/PYoRVo1Ffr

— Decaf Dorsey ???????? ???????? (@thewiretwo) October 7, 2022

Appreciated.
That's kind of good news.

Some of Musk's takes on Ukraine/Russia are a tad concerning.

All of Putin's puppets(i.e. Musk) takes are stupid.  What bugs me is that Russian's money isn't going to be worth the money it's printed on in the near future.  Why keep going with the charade if Putin can't pay you anymore?

No, it is not. I have spoken to Putin only once and that was about 18 months ago. The subject matter was space.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 11, 2022

Someone is claiming that musk spoke to Putin prior to his other tweet.

not claiming it's true but 100% not taking that dogsombrero's word on it. 

A new leak with info from September 8th shows that SpaceX is asking the US government to help pay for Starlink in Ukraine.

Confirms that currently SpaceX (and Musk as the majority shareholder) are paying the majority of the bill, seemingly a few hundred million since the war started. That is probably the largest donation by a non government entity. As a crazy bit of trivia, Fortnite/Epic Games is seemingly responsible for the second largest donation of $144 million.

so what,.. musk it looking for the government to fund his twitter purchase?   guy must really have liquidity issues.

so what,.. musk it looking for the government to fund his twitter purchase?   guy must really have liquidity issues.

No he's selling cologne to do that.

The hell with it … even though Starlink is still losing money & other companies are getting billions of taxpayer $, we’ll just keep funding Ukraine govt for free

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 15, 2022

The hell with it … even though Starlink is still losing money & other companies are getting billions of taxpayer $, we’ll just keep funding Ukraine govt for free

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 15, 2022

Ummm poor elon musk?

Ummm poor elon musk?

Definitely @elonmusk is among the world's top private donors supporting Ukraine.
Starlink is an essential element of our critical infrastructure.

— Mykhailo Fedorov (@FedorovMykhailo) October 14, 2022

Normally the US government would be paying for this.