3.6 GHz or 3.4 GHz SMTIs that RAM slower than series X?
So lower than PS5. Here I thought PS5 would hold back the XSX /s
10 GB GDDR6 224 GB/s
Is that RAM slower than series X?Way slower.
Way slower.Yikes, this really is a budget console in every way except CPU. MS gonna have to try and trick people into getting it.
XSX is:
10 GB GPU optimized RAM @ 560GB/s, 6 GB system RAM @ 336 GB/s
Non directly confirms that there will be series x exclusives.It does?
That's great. The vast majority of games should run wonderfully well on series s but there will still be games that need to skip xbox entirely if they have to support series s.
Yikes, this really is a budget console in every way except CPU. MS gonna have to try and trick people into getting it.Don't worry they have their pathetic excuses for journalists already working hard on that for them.
Microsoft has confirmed the Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz. Yes, the Xbox Series S CPU is faster than the PS5
— Tom Warren (@tomwarren) September 9, 2020
Don't worry they have their pathetic excuses for journalists already working hard on that for them.I just saw this on Era, god this guy must be on the MS payroll, I can't stand him.Microsoft has confirmed the Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz. Yes, the Xbox Series S CPU is faster than the PS5
— Tom Warren (@tomwarren) September 9, 2020
Don't worry they have their pathetic excuses for journalists already working hard on that for them.And the tweet isn't even right.Microsoft has confirmed the Xbox Series S uses the same CPU as the Xbox Series X running at 3.6GHz. Yes, the Xbox Series S CPU is faster than the PS5
— Tom Warren (@tomwarren) September 9, 2020
I just saw this on Era, god this guy must be on the MS payroll, I can't stand him.Yeah Tom Warren is a genuine piece of garbage.
CPU is the only good thing about Series S and that's only because it needs to have the same one.
XSS vs XSX:
3x worse GPU
2x less storage in SSD
40% less RAM at 60% less speed
no disc drive
same CPU slight downclock
XSS vs PS5 digital:
2.5x worse GPU
60% less storage
50% less I/O SSD speed
40% less RAM at 50% less speed
CPU almost identical
Series S is only for people who are broke. Or for people who fall for Tom Warren's shame.
(https://news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Tech-Specs-1.jpg?w=1187)i'm not game developer here but to me this looks like it will really hold back next gen games if series s support is mandatory. that or game developers will have to spent a lot of time optimizing the series s release to do more than just "lower resolution".
8 GB @ 224 GB/s
2 GB @ 56 GB/a
I would hope that doesn't become an issue.
i'm not game developer here but to me this looks like it will really hold back next gen games if series s support is mandatory. that or game developers will have to spent a lot of time optimizing the series s release to do more than just "lower resolution".Its probably good enough to run any 4K games the same at 1080p with a decent amount of optimisation work, that's 4x less pixels. 1440p is going to be a struggle, maybe if a game is 4k60 it can run 1440p30. Also RT is only gonna work at like 1080p30
Its probably good enough to run any 4K games the same at 1080p with a decent amount of optimisation work, that's 4x less pixels. 1440p is going to be a struggle, maybe if a game is 4k60 it can run 1440p30. Also RT is only gonna work at like 1080p30yeah, but you are assuming that games on xbsx going to be 4k60. that would be, imo, "holding games back". you can already see that 30 fps is still going to be the standard on ps5 with sub-4k native resolutions to give more processing power for "other stuff". oh sure, developers could target 4k60 but as we've seen over and over and over again that means holding back games in other ways.
I've lost a lot of interest with the spec sheets. This is a few more concessions than I expected. And I understand the price now.i mean it is what it is. not for me probably but i can see there maybe being a market for it. i just want to see some practical examples of what it means to games. give me screenshot comparison and performance levels of specific games. give me a definitive statement on if every game on series x will be on series s.
Feels less like "this is a great deal" and more like "this is what we have to cut to reach our target"
Hopefully the RAM isn't as bad in practice as it looks on paper.
I just saw this on Era, god this guy must be on the MS payroll, I can't stand him.How does it compare to One X?
CPU is the only good thing about Series S and that's only because it needs to have the same one.
XSS vs XSX:
3x worse GPU
2x less storage in SSD
40% less RAM at 60% less speed
no disc drive
same CPU slight downclock
XSS vs PS5 digital:
2.5x worse GPU
60% less storage
50% less I/O SSD speed
40% less RAM at 50% less speed
CPU almost identical
Series S is only for people who are broke. Or for people who fall for Tom Warren's shame.
(https://news.xbox.com/en-us/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/09/Tech-Specs-1.jpg?w=1187)How does it not support 4k? Even Pro and One X do that
8 GB @ 224 GB/s
2 GB @ 56 GB/a
I would hope that doesn't become an issue.
How does it not support 4k? Even Pro and One X do thatIt does.
i'm not game developer here but to me this looks like it will really hold back next gen games if series s support is mandatory. that or game developers will have to spent a lot of time optimizing the series s release to do more than just "lower resolution".Probably good for Nintendo in the end. Their Switch pro will probably be close to series S
I know it's been a wait for price, date, pre-order date. Thanks to the community for their support and encouragement :-) Great to see the reactions, really proud of how the team handled the unscripted announce (was supposed to be next week but oh well...). Can't wait for launch. https://t.co/CxXWDVmmNw
— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) September 9, 2020
It does.But why don't they say 4k? I mean simple games could run at 4k on that
It's just not what they're targeting for the specs.
But why don't they say 4k? I mean simple games could run at 4k on thatBecause it's about what they expect typical games to support.
Unscripted lol. Who was awake in the middle of the night for it?I know it's been a wait for price, date, pre-order date. Thanks to the community for their support and encouragement :-) Great to see the reactions, really proud of how the team handled the unscripted announce (was supposed to be next week but oh well...). Can't wait for launch. https://t.co/CxXWDVmmNw
— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) September 9, 2020
Because it's about what they expect typical games to support.I guess. I'm just used to them quoting the max, not the most likely. Like Pro used 4k for marketing but most games run at less
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehe3iSXWkAEo9ic?format=jpg&name=medium)That black thing still looks fugly. Grey would be better I think
I guess. I'm just used to them quoting the max, not the most likely. Like Pro used 4k for marketing but most games run at lessThey're trying to differentiate between the XSX and XSS for non-techy people.
Probably good for Nintendo in the end. Their Switch pro will probably be close to series Soh goodie. i'm paying $500 for a ps5 so i can play games ported from switch...
I've lost a lot of interest with the spec sheets. This is a few more concessions than I expected. And I understand the price now.Yes, this.
Feels less like "this is a great deal" and more like "this is what we have to cut to reach our target"
Hopefully the RAM isn't as bad in practice as it looks on paper.
yeah, but you are assuming that games on xbsx going to be 4k60. that would be, imo, "holding games back". you can already see that 30 fps is still going to be the standard on ps5 with sub-4k native resolutions to give more processing power for "other stuff". oh sure, developers could target 4k60 but as we've seen over and over and over again that means holding back games in other ways.No I'm not. I'm saying if games are capable of 4k60 on XSX then it could be capable of 1440p on XSS. And for the games that won't run 4k60 on XSX then 1440p probably isn't possible, hence the struggle.
xbsx will certainly be capable of 4k60 on games like "ori" but for true next gen AAA games it won't be. ...or shouldn't be. it will be sub 60 fps and/or sub 4k native resolution. scale back a game designed for ps5/xbsx at 1440p30 to xbss and what are you left with? either really low resolutions and framerates or (more likely) developer work to reduce the number of objects on the screen to get back up to acceptable performance.
i haven't watched it yet because i'm in a meeting but this seems relavant to this thread.That is the video in the OP. :P
That is the video in the OP. :PThat's why it's relevant ::)
That is the video in the OP. :Poops..
in truth i just didn't watch the video in the OP because i thought it was this one:That means one of us is a lazy OP.
As a next gen console, I much prefer the XSX.the ps5 DE slim will still be bigger than the ps4...
But it's kind of cute as a side thing. Maybe the PS5 DE slim will be that size. That'd be worth buying.
the ps5 DE slim will still be bigger than the ps4...That's why they are making the PS5SS (super slim).
I think this might be the first time in history that a company has made a next gen console "weaker" than their previous console. Series S has all the fancy new next gen features but some games will run better on One X.Is it weaker?
Is it weaker?It has a weaker gpu and ram, but can use next gen tricks to make up for that.
It has a weaker gpu and ram, but can use next gen tricks to make up for that.I don't think that's true. The GPU architecture is much better so it is actually a better GPU overall. The RAM is GDDR6 which gives it an advantage, plus it has the SSD and a vastly superior CPU.
Is not strong enough to play xbox one x games unless they are ported.
I don't think that's true. The GPU architecture is much better so it is actually a better GPU overall. The RAM is GDDR6 which gives it an advantage, plus it has the SSD and a vastly superior CPU.That's why he mentioned next gen tricks. New features can work more efficiently.
my god. there is soo much ignorance in the world.
Lol
Following the thread we had for the PS5 spec reveal (http://'https://www.resetera.com/threads/devs-react-to-ps5-specs-twitter-edition.175980/'), I'm making this to compile the reactions from developers across Twitter and other social media. For "Official" reactions, Both Xbox's own YT channel as well as Digital Foundry have uploaded videos on the system:Devs are surprisingly? negative about Series S.
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As for some of the dev reactions:
Developers talked to Patrick Klepek:All jokes about the design and naming convention aside, the developers I've spoken to have been very impressed with the tech behind this box. It's no joke. https://t.co/uzPd6LebKD
— Patrick Klepek (@patrickklepek) September 8, 2020
Id Software Programmer:The S is significantly nerfed compared to X ( 4 vs 12.5 TFLOPS / 20 vs 52 CU ) but still much beefier than a base One.
— Dustin Land (@DustinHLand) September 10, 2020
It’s a good option for xbox exclusives if you buy a PS5 and don’t want to buy another expensive console. https://t.co/lSpADH4YN3
Remedy Technical Producer:
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IdSoftware Lead Engine Programmer:
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Infinity Ward Multiplayer Designer:
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Game Director (ex EA, Infinity Ward and other studios):
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Remedy Communications Director:
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Flavorworks Creative Director:
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Squanch Games Gameplay Programmer (full thread here (http://'https://twitter.com/schenksmill/status/1303854003613245446')):
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IdSoftware Engine Programmer:
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DICE QA:
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Yes initial Series S reaction was very positive due to the price but that's all xbox has going for it. Once Sony start to speak again I think xbox will be in trouble. They just have basically no games for the first year while PS5 is looking to have possibly the best first year for exclusives ever seen.yeah but xbox has gamepass. that means gamers get all of those no games day 1 for just $15 per month. it's an incredible value..
yeah but xbox has gamepass. that means gamers get all of those no games day 1 for just $15 per month. it's an incredible value..Old games are back in style now
I don't think that's true. The GPU architecture is much better so it is actually a better GPU overall. The RAM is GDDR6 which gives it an advantage, plus it has the SSD and a vastly superior CPU.MS confirmed
Is the Xbox Series S even nextgen??
— Cameron Christian (@GameDev_Cam) September 11, 2020
Insomniac game director ;DDeleted lolIs the Xbox Series S even nextgen??
— Cameron Christian (@GameDev_Cam) September 11, 2020
Insomniac game director ;Di have a game night date with one of my best friends on thursdays. I told him about the series s and his reaction was "what are they trying to do be the next nintendo? i'm pretty sure nintendo has a lock on the audience that tolerates last gen hardware."Is the Xbox Series S even nextgen??
— Cameron Christian (@GameDev_Cam) September 11, 2020
Insomniac game director ;DYeah I wonder what it's really for... No next gen games and it won't run games much better if at all, than xb1xIs the Xbox Series S even nextgen??
— Cameron Christian (@GameDev_Cam) September 11, 2020
Lmao^^series s will probably make or break xbox. i can see a situation where it does really well and propels xbox back to the top if it can convience the people that typically buy hardware in years 2-4 (post price drops) to pick up an xbox in year 1. i can also see a situation where it does nothing to improve xbox's sales ratio with playstation and starting in the second half of the gen ps5 starts getting 3rd party exclusives easily because developers don't think it's worth doing the port to series s when it has a low user base.
I dont see how anyone could look at that GPU and RAM and expect it not to holdback PS5 and XSX
i have a game night date with one of my best friends on thursdays. I told him about the series s and his reaction was "what are they trying to do be the next nintendo? i'm pretty sure nintendo has a lock on the audience that tolerates last gen hardware."Will Series S be a Wii or a Wii U? Only time will decide.
i lol'd.
Will Series S be a Wii or a Wii U? Only time will decide.well if console naming confusion is anything to go on then definitely a wiiU...
well if console naming confusion is anything to go on then definitely a wiiU...That reminds me. Was googling "one x release date" the other day and Google's "People also asked" section kinda backs up that fear.
That reminds me. Was googling "one x release date" the other day and Google's "People also asked" section kinda backs up that fear.true that.
Top google search is "Is there a new Xbox coming out in 2020?"
Others are "Which Xbox is best?", "What is the new Xbox called?", "Which Xbox should I buy 2020?"
It is absolutely not a problem if Microsoft markets the systems properly, but it's a lot more complicated than it needs to be.