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Title: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 29, 2020, 08:46 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/TLOU_P2_Box_Art_2.png)


Release Date :June 19, 2020


Platforms : PlayStation 4


Developer :Naughty Dog


Publisher : Sony




This thread is for everything related to The Last of Us Part 2. 
I don't think anyone is posting spoilers.  But please post any spoilers in a spoiler tag. 

The spirit of this thread is to recapture some.of the magic that we had in the Bloodborne thread. 
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 29, 2020, 08:46 PM
This is the first game I've preordered since Uncharted 4.  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on Apr 29, 2020, 10:54 PM
This is the first game I've preordered since Uncharted 4.  
Jeez, we got a Naughty Dog fanboy over here.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on Apr 30, 2020, 12:41 AM
I'm excited! Uncharted 1-4 and TLOU are all great games. Even if this isn't perfect and has some funky stuff like U4, it should still be an amazing experience.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Apr 30, 2020, 03:13 AM
Jeez, we got a Naughty Dog fanboy over here.
You have no idea.  They were one of my favorites during the Jak years.  
Square Enix (Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts)
Naughty Dog
Nintendo
Ensemble Studios
were my favorite devs growing up.

Naughty Dog and Nintendo are pretty much the only constants for me.  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 01, 2020, 03:07 PM
Spoiler for filesize:
<br>Is supposedly around 100 GB. &nbsp;I think it&#39;s too round to be the real number. &nbsp;<br><br>


But I'm going to need to finish a couple games.....
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 01, 2020, 05:10 PM
Sony confirmed the leakers were unaffiliated with Sony or Naughty Dog.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 03, 2020, 01:56 PM
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Horizon on May 03, 2020, 07:33 PM
I'm excited! Uncharted 1-4 and TLOU are all great games. Even if this isn't perfect and has some funky stuff like U4, it should still be an amazing experience.
You should play The Lost Legacy. Just completed it and it's awesome.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: kitler53 on May 03, 2020, 07:37 PM
You should play The Lost Legacy. Just completed it and it's awesome.
i also just completed it yesterday.  it was amazing.  waaaaay better than uncharted 4.  

it didn't get near enough hype for playstation.  it's practically a full on sequel to U4.  not quite as long of a compain but way bogger and better than i expected. 
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on May 03, 2020, 07:41 PM
i also just completed it yesterday.  it was amazing.  waaaaay better than uncharted 4.  

it didn't get near enough hype for playstation.  it's practically a full on sequel to U4.  not quite as long of a compain but way bogger and better than i expected.
Yep yep. I remember thinking it was fantastic, with superb set pieces that were better than U4's and much better pacing than U4. The characters and story were on about the same level. If it was the length of Uncharted 4 while managing all that it'd be 10/10 for me.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 03, 2020, 08:02 PM
You should play The Lost Legacy. Just completed it and it's awesome.
I really should. If only it was free on PS+ recently instead of the other uncharteds.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 03, 2020, 09:33 PM
TLL is another game I have but haven't played yet.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 06, 2020, 03:05 PM


Not watching
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 06, 2020, 03:09 PM
Did everyone play Left Behind?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on May 06, 2020, 03:46 PM
Did everyone play Left Behind?
Yes everyone did.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 06, 2020, 03:49 PM
Yes everyone did.
*except me
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on May 06, 2020, 03:51 PM
*except me
I'm leaving the forum guys bye
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 06, 2020, 04:18 PM
I'm leaving the forum guys bye
I think the only dlc I've ever played was Halo 2 dlc maps.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 06, 2020, 04:52 PM
*except me
Bruh. You really need to.  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 06, 2020, 05:18 PM
*except me
Yyyy
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on May 06, 2020, 11:07 PM
I think the only dlc I've ever played was Halo 2 dlc maps.
That's just really weird. DLCs can be amazing.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 06, 2020, 11:13 PM
That's just really weird. DLCs can be amazing.
They feel odd for story based games imo.

Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 06, 2020, 11:22 PM
They feel odd for story based games imo.


Left Behind is practically its own small title.  It's not like it's shoehorned randomly into the story.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on May 06, 2020, 11:30 PM
They feel odd for story based games imo.


How do you know that if you only ever played one?

DLC makes the most sense and is best in story driven games.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 07, 2020, 04:08 AM
Left Behind is practically its own small title.  It's not like it's shoehorned randomly into the story.

That's the best type but it still feels weird to step back into the world for a small side adventure.

How do you know that if you only ever played one?

DLC makes the most sense and is best in story driven games.
I loved The Talos Principle but within a couple minutes of starting the DLC I closed the game. Maybe it would be better now that the original game wasn't fresh in my head, but they almost feel like they are the scraps left over from development.

Also tried the Heavy Rain DLC.

Also I bought the DLC for Breath of the Wild. I'm slowly doing my second playthrough, this time on switch, but I haven't reached any of the main dlc content. I think it'll only work since I was planning to the play the game again regardless of DLC.


Now that I thought about it, I've actually played some DLC for non story based PC games. Elite Dangerous, Civilization, Stellaris, and Roller Coaster Tycoon. The only console/handheld DLC I played was for Halo 2, PSASBR, and LittleBigPlanet.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on May 07, 2020, 05:17 PM
That's the best type but it still feels weird to step back into the world for a small side adventure.
I loved The Talos Principle but within a couple minutes of starting the DLC I closed the game. Maybe it would be better now that the original game wasn't fresh in my head, but they almost feel like they are the scraps left over from development.

Also tried the Heavy Rain DLC.

Also I bought the DLC for Breath of the Wild. I'm slowly doing my second playthrough, this time on switch, but I haven't reached any of the main dlc content. I think it'll only work since I was planning to the play the game again regardless of DLC.


Now that I thought about it, I've actually played some DLC for non story based PC games. Elite Dangerous, Civilization, Stellaris, and Roller Coaster Tycoon. The only console/handheld DLC I played was for Halo 2, PSASBR, and LittleBigPlanet.
Left behind isn't a side adventure lol
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 07, 2020, 05:26 PM
Left behind isn't a side adventure lol
Prequel then. Same thing.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: kitler53 on May 07, 2020, 05:53 PM
I loved The Talos Principle but within a couple minutes of starting the DLC I closed the game. Maybe it would be better now that the original game wasn't fresh in my head, but they almost feel like they are the scraps left over from development.
oh no you fudgy didn't just say that,..   that DLC was amazing.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on May 07, 2020, 09:18 PM
Prequel then. Same thing.
dang you have some weird prejudice against DLC. Would you buy a prequel game? Why should a DLC be any different if its priced appropriately and has a good story to tell. I'm not super big on DLC but if a game I love releases some then hell yeah I'm getting it.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 07, 2020, 10:33 PM
dang you have some weird prejudice against DLC. Would you buy a prequel game? Why should a DLC be any different if its priced appropriately and has a good story to tell. I'm not super big on DLC but if a game I love releases some then hell yeah I'm getting it.
On the financial side, I'd assume most of you would agree with me that DLC costs money. I'm a really cheap gamer and I just rarely buy stuff.


On the player side, I rarely play stuff. Not enough free time so I focus on new experiences that can help me out as a game dev.

On the design side, playing Left Behind and The Road to Gehenna now would probably be great. It's been a few years so they can really stand on their own as short games instead of expansions.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on May 26, 2020, 05:29 PM
State of play here we come.

Although I don't know who will watch it.

Reviews drop the 12th.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on May 26, 2020, 05:50 PM
State of play here we come.

Although I don't know who will watch it.

Reviews drop the 12th.
7 days for reviews, nice.

After the state of play we should start predicting. Going to be interesting.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 02, 2020, 04:27 PM
The Last Of Us Part II  Difficulty is highly customizable | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-last-of-us-part-ii-difficulty-is-highly-customizable.217932/)

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I know this inst new in games at all but its still really cool
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5. Difficulty is highly customizable. However, you aren't bound to defined modes like easy, normal, or hard; you can also fine-tune specific elements of the experience, like how much damage Ellie takes, how perceptive enemies are, and how plentiful resources are in the world.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/prod-media.gameinformer.com/styles/thumbnail/s3/2020/06/01/2745c535/the-last-of-us-ii-screenshot-06-en-us-25mar20.jpg)    15 Things I Learned From Two Hours Playing The Last Of Us Part II  (https://www.gameinformer.com/preview/2020/06/01/15-things-i-learned-from-two-hours-playing-the-last-of-us-part-ii)  These are the details we found helpful, interesting, and amusing in a specific two-hour slice of Naughty Dog's revenge-fueled adventure.   (https://www.gameinformer.com/sites/default/files/favicons/apple-touch-icon.png) www.gameinformer.com      
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The Verge: The Last of Us Part II is also Naughty Dog's most accessible game ever (60 different options for accessibility) | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-verge-the-last-of-us-part-ii-is-also-naughty-dogs-most-accessible-game-ever-60-different-options-for-accessibility.217203/)

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This really deserves its own thread.

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But one of the most impressive things about the game is how large and varied its accessibility options are. You can now navigate the world largely by sound, or zoom in on the screen as if you were using a smartphone. There's an astonishing array of things to choose from.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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There are around 60 different accessibility options in the game's menu, covering things like controls, visual aids, audio clues, navigation and traversal, and combat.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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Some are fairly standard features, like being able to make the UI larger or tweak the subtitles for color blind users. Other elements are much more involved. There's a text-to-speech option that reads out everything in the game, from menus to the notes Ellie picks up on her journey, and audio cues to indicate when there are items nearby or a ledge you can climb up. A new high-contrast mode changes the visuals entirely for low-vision players, rendering the world a light grey, and turning allies blue and enemies red. (This was inspired by the unlockable "thief vision" filter in Uncharted 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpDgxgJXRy4).) You can even use the Dual Shock controller's touchpad to zoom in and get a closer look at the world.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
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Diving into the accessibility menu in The Last of Us Part II is almost overwhelming, with so many toggles and siders to choose from. It gives players granular control over their experience, but to make things a bit easier, the developers also created a handful of presets that can be enabled at the outset of the game, grouped under categories like vision and hearing. From there, players can still jump in and tweak the settings to better suit their needs. "The idea here is to give players a starting point," says Schatz.  Click to expand... Click to shrink...  
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/DLiC42k-z0BjthVptS2aBz7pBF0=/0x75:3840x2085/fit-in/1200x630/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/20009468/TLOUPII_High_Contrast_Mode.jpg)    The Last of Us Part II isn't just Naughty Dog's most ambitious game -- it's the most accessible, too  (https://www.theverge.com/21274923/the-last-of-us-part-2-accessibility-features-naughty-dog-interview-ps4)  How the developer is opening up the story to even more players.   (https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7395361/favicon-64x64.0.ico) www.theverge.com    
 More at the link.

  
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Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 02, 2020, 04:39 PM
ND has been great for accessibility. U4 had some good options too.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 04, 2020, 04:41 PM
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 04, 2020, 06:16 PM
Lotte Kestner accusing Naughty Dog of plagiarizing her cover of 'True Faith' for the TLOU2 CGI Trailer. | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/lotte-kestner-accusing-naughty-dog-of-plagiarizing-her-cover-of-true-faith-for-the-tlou2-cgi-trailer.219384/)

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I've listened to it back to back and it's definitely similar to her cover version. I'm not sure if this is SIE or Naughty Dog's fault, but they definitely should work something out with the artist.

 Edit: Here's the commercial with the song in question

  
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Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: kitler53 on Jun 04, 2020, 08:22 PM
Lotte Kestner accusing Naughty Dog of plagiarizing her cover of 'True Faith' for the TLOU2 CGI Trailer. | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/lotte-kestner-accusing-naughty-dog-of-plagiarizing-her-cover-of-true-faith-for-the-tlou2-cgi-trailer.219384/)

i mean, it sounds similar that's true.    ...but it sounds like half a billion other "acoustic guitar + vocals" songs i've heard.  

sounds like this lotte covered a song and that ND paid the original artist for the rights to the song.  i'm not sure she has much of a legal case here.  since they are both covering the same song she can't say ND stole here lyrics or melodies.  it would be entirely limited to "arrangement" and that is a very narrow scope on which to claim plagiarism.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 10, 2020, 02:05 PM
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 15, 2020, 10:23 PM
Getting close.  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 15, 2020, 10:28 PM
Should I order this?

Should I stroll into best buy on release day?

Or should I just be cheap and avoid the internet for a while?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 16, 2020, 03:19 PM
So far I've saved $6.11 on this.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 16, 2020, 04:07 PM
Should I order this?

Should I stroll into best buy on release day?

Or should I just be cheap and avoid the internet for a while?
You gotta buy it!
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 16, 2020, 04:17 PM
You gotta buy it!
I think I'm going with the second option.

Not sure what but something yesterday made me think of TLOU and I'm finally feeling a bit of hype for part 2.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 16, 2020, 04:23 PM
I think I'm going with the second option.

Not sure what but something yesterday made me think of TLOU and I'm finally feeling a bit of hype for part 2.
I've felt a bit indifferent until a couple weeks ago and then reviews have made me realised this is one of the most acclaimed games ever, a game I've been anticipating for years. Now its only a few days away I'm getting immensely hyped.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 16, 2020, 04:27 PM
Should I order this?

Should I stroll into best buy on release day?

Or should I just be cheap and avoid the internet for a while?
Get a job at Walmart and after a few months you could get 10% off!  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 18, 2020, 08:03 PM
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 19, 2020, 05:05 AM
I hope it gets here today.
:-X
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 19, 2020, 05:17 AM
I preordered from best buy. Just need to show up in the morning and they will bring it to my car.

Did not want to risk it with Amazon.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 19, 2020, 10:22 AM
Got mine and just installed, time to dive in!
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 19, 2020, 10:35 AM
Oh my lord Naughty Dog you fudgy maniacs ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Hype Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 19, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jesus christ. What an incredible work of art this is. Holy hell, been through all the emotions in just 2 hours.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 19, 2020, 01:30 PM
my collectors edition is out for delivery.  Hope it gets here before 12 as i'm going hiking so it may not be till later tonight when i play
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 19, 2020, 02:26 PM
my collectors edition is out for delivery.  Hope it gets here before 12 as i'm going hiking so it may not be till later tonight when i play
I always get deliveries late in the day. Way back during the PS4 launch it didn't arrive till ~6 PM. No joke, it was a really fun day just enjoying the launch and knowing there was nothing that could speed up the delivery.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 19, 2020, 02:39 PM
I always get deliveries late in the day. Way back during the PS4 launch it didn't arrive till ~6 PM. No joke, it was a really fun day just enjoying the launch and knowing there was nothing that could speed up the delivery.
Most of mine are between like 1 and 4.

We are on like 4 UPS, 5 FedEx tracks.

There are some later ones.  I think one of them is like ~6 PM.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 19, 2020, 02:53 PM
I always get deliveries late in the day. Way back during the PS4 launch it didn't arrive till ~6 PM. No joke, it was a really fun day just enjoying the launch and knowing there was nothing that could speed up the delivery.
UPS delivery for us is always random.  Sometimes we get stuff around 10am or sometimes its as late as 6 or 7pm
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 19, 2020, 04:23 PM
Curbside pickup is wack. Like a drive thru of people getting tlou lol.

Really fast.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 19, 2020, 04:47 PM
This game is absolutely phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 19, 2020, 06:55 PM
It's here.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 19, 2020, 08:46 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I&#39;m guessing the lower reviews happened because they didn&#39;t know they could pet the dog. &nbsp;<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 19, 2020, 09:07 PM
Game is kinda slow ::)

Great story though.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 19, 2020, 10:42 PM
Game is kinda slow ::)

Great story though.
I played 10 and a half hours today. This is at the pinnacle of pacing in gaming, perhaps not quite as good as U2 but its on the same level. So far I'm absolutely loving it, still waiting for the story to pick up but I love all the new characters and the dialogue is fantastic. I'd rate the game ~9.5/10 so far, but obviously what made TLOU so special was the complete story and the ending and it sounds like this is the same.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 19, 2020, 11:38 PM
I've only put in 45 minutes.  :'(
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 19, 2020, 11:45 PM
**SPOILERS** Anyone got to the end of Jackson here yet? MEGA SUPER SPOILER TALK here seriously don't read or quote this until you're way into the game, like 10+ hours (end of seattle day 2).

Spoiler for Hidden:
Its crazy how ND lied with their marketing again. Even the reveal trailer showed Joel asking Ellie if she wants to go through with this when, ya know. And then again later in the game there&#39;s a scene with Joel in the trailer but its someone else in the game. Plus they showed clips of Ellie on her own on the horse in seattle when she&#39;s actually always got Dina on the back in the game.<br>MEGA SUPER SPOILER UNDER THE SECOND TAG <div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;">It almost ruined the death scene for me, because I remembered the trailers and thought he still had to be around.</div></div></div>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 20, 2020, 01:15 AM
Anyone playing with headphones!
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 20, 2020, 02:09 AM
I had a dream last night I was going to a store to buy this game.  

The store had these huge bundles that included a TV, PS4, and the game for like $660.  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 20, 2020, 02:10 AM
Also I'm up to 2 hours.  I miss the days when I could play 10 hours without a care in the world.

8)
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 20, 2020, 03:30 AM
This frickin game! Sooooo good.  Still on Seattle day 1 and just over 4 hours into it. I am combing through everything.  Collectibles are fantastic as well as all the side dialogue.  

And the environments are just gorgeous.  I seriously don't know how they pulled it off on ps4.  Lighting is phenomenal.  Their full ps5 games are going to be absolutely bonkers.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 20, 2020, 06:23 AM
8 hours in.

Pacing has improved a lot. Loving the game.

If anything, the story is too good. Highlights the game stuff like rock solid bushes on the edges of levels.

No major plot talk, but here are some of my current thoughts after the first day.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Very little gameplay innovation.<br><br>Feels like the first game plus Uncharted 4. Not a problem, still great.<br><br><br>I never use items lol, and this kinda broke the game at one point. I decided to clean house and just destroy everyone. Used a shotgun for the first time. Was a very fun change of pace. Problem was as part of this the game decided they wanted a tense run section. So even though I had full health and felt unstopable, I had to run away.<br><br><br>I hope the plot is more complex than I am expecting. I have killed so many humans and any sort of debate about our actions ala u2 will just feel fake.<br><br>Loved one area and one scene so so much.<br><br>Early game spoiler<br><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;"><br>Loved how Abby was introduced. Amazing way to make us feel the moment.<br></div></div></div><br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 20, 2020, 01:01 PM
bout to start playing again.  This is all i'm gonna be thinking about for the next month as i finish the game(multiple times) and fully gather all the collectibles and dialogues.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 20, 2020, 03:53 PM
I switched to playing with headphones. Game was having issues with my home theater system.

Mostly better, although way less loud during combat. I used to feel tension every time I went to brake glass haha.


Not a story spoiler but discussing human combat at one point. No spoils outside of fight mechanics.
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Had humans attack me without having a reason to attack me.<br><br>I tried to not fight back but the game forced me to.<br><br>I then killed all but one and shot the last girl. She did not die, and instead started begging for her life. I did not want to hurt her so I did not hurt her.<br><br>Yet this was all fake. She just kept begging without change until she popped up with seamingly full health and tried to kill me again. At that point I killed her, and it was dumb.<br><br>I understand why I couldn&#39;t befriend these people but it would have been nice if there was a peaceful option.<br>


Also I keep pressing square to dodge for some stupid reason ::)
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 20, 2020, 04:51 PM
I switched to playing with headphones. Game was having issues with my home theater system.

Mostly better, although way less loud during combat. I used to feel tension every time I went to brake glass haha.


Not a story spoiler but discussing human combat at one point. No spoils outside of fight mechanics.
Spoiler for Hidden:

Had humans attack me without having a reason to attack me.

I tried to not fight back but the game forced me to.

I then killed all but one and shot the last girl. She did not die, and instead started begging for her life. I did not want to hurt her so I did not hurt her.

Yet this was all fake. She just kept begging without change until she popped up with seamingly full health and tried to kill me again. At that point I killed her, and it was dumb.

I understand why I couldn't befriend these people but it would have been nice if there was a peaceful option.


Also I keep pressing square to dodge for some stupid reason ::)

Spoiler for Hidden:
Without a reason? I guess you haven&#39;t seen much of the story? All &quot;tresspassers&quot; and &quot;sinners&quot; are killed on sight by both human factions.<br><br>Whenever I had anyone begging for their life like that they just bled out. Weird.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: DerNebel on Jun 20, 2020, 04:59 PM
I'm just so bummed out that the online discourse around the game is so absolutely pathetic, I go on reddit after playing for a couple hours and on top of the Games subreddit is an article shitting on the game, which people of course upvoted in droves because they decided weeks ago to hate the game. And in the comments you see BS like "Dina is just a horny lesbian girlfriend character" and  (end of Jackson spoiler)
Spoiler for Hidden:
&quot;it destroyed Joels character because he wouldn&#39;t have entered the house with Abby, he&#39;d be more careful cause he&#39;s the most wanted man on the planet&quot;
.

Gaming discussion is just getting more and more unacceptable online over time.

Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 20, 2020, 06:11 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Without a reason? I guess you haven't seen much of the story? All "tresspassers" and "sinners" are killed on sight by both human factions.

Whenever I had anyone begging for their life like that they just bled out. Weird.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Yes without reason. Was a side area you might have missed on day 2.<br><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;"><br>Deserters from wlf. They thought I was there to take them back. Just a few hiding in a house.<br></div></div></div><br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 20, 2020, 06:44 PM
I'm at work
:'(
You are all going to finish it before I can even get back in.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 20, 2020, 06:52 PM
I'm at work
:'(
You are all going to finish it before I can even get back in.
I need to finish by monday.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 20, 2020, 07:18 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:

Yes without reason. Was a side area you might have missed on day 2.
Spoiler for Hidden:

Deserters from wlf. They thought I was there to take them back. Just a few hiding in a house.


Spoiler for Hidden:
Oh okay yeah I completely missed that. But I&#39;d also say that&#39;s not without reason, if they were deserters they&#39;d be extremely on edge.


Oh boy, you know with this one if anyone tries to claim its just "a movie" they haven't played it. That section I just played was absolutely fudgy spectacular, absolutely the peak of what video games can offer. This game is just brilliant.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 20, 2020, 09:43 PM
Well crud, I finished the game. I knew I was going faster than average but I honestly thought I was being very thorough, my total playtime is just over 20 hours, which is way less than I've seen anyone else finish it in.

The ending is definitely like the first game, wowzas.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 20, 2020, 10:06 PM
I'm at work
:'(
You are all going to finish it before I can even get back in.
My post stands true.

Well crud, I finished the game. I knew I was going faster than average but I honestly thought I was being very thorough, my total playtime is just over 20 hours, which is way less than I've seen anyone else finish it in.

The ending is definitely like the first game, wowzas.
How long to beat has the game at 20.5 hours.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 20, 2020, 10:43 PM
i'm at just around 10 hours and still not finished with day 1.

I'm now at:
Spoiler for Hidden:
The 3 years ago flashback with joel and the museum. &nbsp;I&#39;m seriously loving this part of the game. &nbsp;I&#39;m literally laughing and smiling at every interaction between joel and ellie.


I fudgy love this game
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 20, 2020, 10:49 PM
My post stands true.
How long to beat has the game at 20.5 hours.
That's a sample size of 1!

Man I'm so conflicted, the first half of the game I was unanimously loving. All the way through the gameplay, encounters and gameplay pacing were just phenomenal, so I was enjoying it. The story structure is a bit all over the place though, I don't know if I like what they did with the second half. And the actual story just doesn't stand up to the first game imo. That's all I'l say about it.

Overall I know I played a masterpiece of design and I'm in awe about what they achieved with the game, but I can't help but feel negative right now.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 20, 2020, 11:07 PM
Hopped into the Era spoiler thread and wow there is a lot of genuine dislike for the game (all about the story). I'm most sad that I'm finding a lot of stuff I unfortunately agree with. I have so many conflicting feelings :-\
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 21, 2020, 12:33 AM
Oh also (Day 1 spoilers)

Spoiler for Hidden:
Finding the guitar in the music store and ellie singing a slow acoustic version of Take On Me by A-ha was fantastic. &nbsp;I absolutely love A-ha&#39;s acoustic version and this rendition was perfect after what happens.


Hopped into the Era spoiler thread and wow there is a lot of genuine dislike for the game (all about the story). I'm most sad that I'm finding a lot of stuff I unfortunately agree with. I have so many conflicting feelings :-\
I guess i'll see once i get to the second half and beyond.   I'm guessing its just gonna be a very devisive game where its an amazing game, but there just something about it that either sits well with some and doesn't with others.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 01:02 AM
Oh also (Day 1 spoilers)

Spoiler for Hidden:
Finding the guitar in the music store and ellie singing a slow acoustic version of Take On Me by A-ha was fantastic.  I absolutely love A-ha's acoustic version and this rendition was perfect after what happens.

I guess i'll see once i get to the second half and beyond.   I'm guessing its just gonna be a very devisive game where its an amazing game, but there just something about it that either sits well with some and doesn't with others.
That bit is possibly my favourite moment of the whole game.

Yeah that is definitely some of it. For me the actual story sits well, the events and everything that happen I don't have a problem with, in fact I think its a good story. My problem is the execution. For me the storytelling is really messy. I'd go as far as saying that the story structure, pacing of the story (time between big moments and such) and overall delivery of the game's plot is just so weird, convoluted and sloppy. Its possibly the worst I've ever seen in a game, which is just shocking for me to say about a Naughty Dog game. It almost ruins the overall actual good story they told here. I won't elaborate about why for obvious reasons.

Anyway, I'd be interested to hear all your thoughts towards the end.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 21, 2020, 01:06 AM
Oh also (Day 1 spoilers)

Spoiler for Hidden:
Finding the guitar in the music store and ellie singing a slow acoustic version of Take On Me by A-ha was fantastic.  I absolutely love A-ha's acoustic version and this rendition was perfect after what happens.

I guess i'll see once i get to the second half and beyond.   I'm guessing its just gonna be a very devisive game where its an amazing game, but there just something about it that either sits well with some and doesn't with others.
First day spoiler
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I kinda liked that moment too. Great song but that area was already a bit too slow paced.<br><br>That was when I made my pacing comment.<br>


Anyway I'm 19 hours in so I'm getting close to the end. Loving the game. Has all the problems I pointed out a few pages ago though so it's not perfect, but right now it's a very solid 10/10.


Full end game spoilers and speculation.
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Do not read unless you have finished it.<br><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;"><br>I&#39;m about to reach the tower with the kid.<br><br>My guess is that the game will indeed go for a u2 moment. I&#39;d bet Abby kills Ellie, &nbsp;while we are in control.<br><br>Complaints will be about forced violence when a few words would have worked, like with Nora&#39;s death.<br></div></div></div><br><br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 01:16 AM
First day spoiler
Spoiler for Hidden:

I kinda liked that moment too. Great song but that area was already a bit too slow paced.

That was when I made my pacing comment.


Anyway I'm 19 hours in so I'm getting close to the end. Loving the game. Has all the problems I pointed out a few pages ago though so it's not perfect, but right now it's a very solid 10/10.


Full end game spoilers and speculation.
Spoiler for Hidden:

Do not read unless you have finished it.
Spoiler for Hidden:

I'm about to reach the tower with the kid.

My guess is that the game will indeed go for a u2 moment. I'd bet Abby kills Ellie,  while we are in control.

Complaints will be about forced violence when a few words would have worked, like with Nora's death.



*sigh* I wish I still thought the game was a 10/10 :P

Spoiler for Hidden:
Which tower?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 21, 2020, 03:54 AM
Jesus christ. What an incredible work of art this is. Holy hell, been through all the emotions in just 2 hours.
I'm here.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 21, 2020, 05:20 AM
4 hours in I guess.  

No matter how it ends up, this is likely the first time I've liked a sequel as much as an original that I've loved.  

3D audio is a mix.  Sometimes it works great, other times I can't even tell that it's there.  

Unrelatedly my controller is sucking.  

The sticks seem to be dying.  Been a few times where the camera swivels or Ellie moves when the stocks aren't being touched.  

And for some reason taking a picture is very inconsistent. I'll hit the share button like 4 times and only get a picture or two.  And there's a huge delay for it.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 21, 2020, 09:27 AM
Finished. Yup, 10/10.

Not perfect as I said before, but one of the best games out there. Liked it a lot more than U4. Maybe liked it more than the first. More "chaotic good" than the first, so I can see others having different opinions. Poor pacing from start to finish lol.

Final play time: 23 hours, 59 minutes.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 09:54 AM
Finished. Yup, 10/10.

Not perfect as I said before, but one of the best games out there. Liked it a lot more than U4. Maybe liked it more than the first. More "chaotic good" than the first, so I can see others having different opinions. Poor pacing from start to finish lol.

Final play time: 23 hours, 59 minutes.
Nice nice. The pacing of the story is garbage but pacing of gameplay and encounters is phenomenal, it's really weird.

I think I decided it's a 9/10 for me. It's not on the level of the first game at all and I think U4 was also better but not by too much.

Read quite a lot of the spoiler thread on Era. Seems that more people are disappointed than not when they finish it, but it could just be that people who are disappointed are wanting to go to the spoiler thread and talk about it.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 21, 2020, 03:06 PM
Nice nice. The pacing of the story is garbage but pacing of gameplay and encounters is phenomenal, it's really weird.

I think I decided it's a 9/10 for me. It's not on the level of the first game at all and I think U4 was also better but not by too much.

Read quite a lot of the spoiler thread on Era. Seems that more people are disappointed than not when they finish it, but it could just be that people who are disappointed are wanting to go to the spoiler thread and talk about it.
I think it helps in my case that I noticed some of its issues early on. Things just got worse/more "chaotic" a bit.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>What did you think of Abby?<br><br>I ended up liking her more than Ellie. When it jumped to her as a kid at the zoo, so freaking good.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 03:49 PM
I think it helps in my case that I noticed some of its issues early on. Things just got worse/more "chaotic" a bit.

Spoiler for Hidden:

What did you think of Abby?

I ended up liking her more than Ellie. When it jumped to her as a kid at the zoo, so freaking good.


Spoiler for Hidden:
I thought the jump was so bad. I&#39;d been waiting for the story to do something for ages and then finally there&#39;s confrontation but the game hard cuts back in time.<br><br>The time spent with Abby was great and I did empathise with her strongly. I never did hate her, Joel was an bumb and I felt he probably deserved it. I was sad that Ellie went after Abby again at the end and I was begging the game to not make me kill her. I was very glad when Ellie stopped.<br><br>Oveeall the story is great and I love the idea of playing half and half and seeing both sides. I just think the execution and pacing of the story was absolutely terrible. I didn&#39;t like playing as Abby just because I wanted to get back as Ellie in the present as soon as possible, the past just dragged on for ages. I didn&#39;t care as much about some characters because I knew they died. The time skip a year later was weird and I think the final chapter just felt weirdly rushed. The execution being poor meant I didn&#39;t get as emotionally invested as I should, and in the end I felt mostly indifferent to the story and these characters. I almost wish this story didn&#39;t happen. TLOU should have been left alone. I cared so much about Joel and Ellie after the first game. Now I just dislike Ellie and don&#39;t care about seeing her again and obviously Joel is gone. The new characters were okay but didn&#39;t get enough development. Lev and Dina are probably the only 2 characters left that I actually give a shame about and might want to know what happened to them.<br><br>EDIT: coming back, the jump back in time felt horrible when it happened and I didn&#39;t like it for the first hour, but then the build up back to it was so good and probably made it all worth it.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 05:30 PM
I've been thinking and discussing more about the game, what exactly I did and didn't like. I think I let some of my negative emotions run a bit too strong, and I also realised a lot of those negative emotions are a positive for the game rather than a negative, and its a seriously impressive feat that the game got me to feel those feelings.

Its probably going to take me a while to process everything with this game, but I'm back to leaning more towards a 10/10 than a 9/10 for it overall. I probably most agree with giving it a 9.5/10 on a 20 point scale, like a lot of reviews did. I'm certain its not as good as the first game, but maybe it is better than Uncharted 4... idk. They're pretty close in my mind, both with quite different flaws.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 21, 2020, 06:37 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I thought the jump was so bad. I'd been waiting for the story to do something for ages and then finally there's confrontation but the game hard cuts back in time.

The time spent with Abby was great and I did empathise with her strongly. I never did hate her, Joel was an bumb and I felt he probably deserved it. I was sad that Ellie went after Abby again at the end and I was begging the game to not make me kill her. I was very glad when Ellie stopped.

Oveeall the story is great and I love the idea of playing half and half and seeing both sides. I just think the execution and pacing of the story was absolutely terrible. I didn't like playing as Abby just because I wanted to get back as Ellie in the present as soon as possible, the past just dragged on for ages. I didn't care as much about some characters because I knew they died. The time skip a year later was weird and I think the final chapter just felt weirdly rushed. The execution being poor meant I didn't get as emotionally invested as I should, and in the end I felt mostly indifferent to the story and these characters. I almost wish this story didn't happen. TLOU should have been left alone. I cared so much about Joel and Ellie after the first game. Now I just dislike Ellie and don't care about seeing her again and obviously Joel is gone. The new characters were okay but didn't get enough development. Lev and Dina are probably the only 2 characters left that I actually give a shame about and might want to know what happened to them.

EDIT: coming back, the jump back in time felt horrible when it happened and I didn't like it for the first hour, but then the build up back to it was so good and probably made it all worth it.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br><br><div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px"><div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px"><b>Spoiler</b> for <i>Hidden</i>: <input type="button" value="Show" style="width:60px;font-size:10px;margin:0px;padding:0px;" onClick="if (this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display != '') { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = ''; this.value = 'Hide'; } else { this.parentNode.parentNode.getElementsByTagName('div')[1].getElementsByTagName('div')[0].style.display = 'none'; this.value = 'Show'; }"></div><div class="alt2" style="margin: 0px; padding: 6px; border: 1px inset;"><div style="display: none;"><br>I expected the Abby moment to be a lot shorter. Jumping back to her as a kid was visually stunning and felt like a great way to give Jesse&#39;s death some time to sink in. His death was so incredibly unexpected that my draw literally dropped haha.<br><br>When it then switched to Abby on day one, I started getting frustrated that Abby was taking up so much time. I just wanted to get back to the scene with Ellie!<br><br>However as more and more time went on, I kinda started really embracing Abby as the character and was enjoying those moments a lot. Like the sky bridge scene was great! It was a bit too effective for me though because by the time the game finally made it back to Ellie, I was pretty much only viewing the game from her perspective.<br><br><br>I kinda hated all the cuts and jumps once the game reached the farm but I liked it as a fakout ending thanks to U4. I was really thinking it was just going to copy that game and end with Ellie at peace with her family. Then her PTSD flashback happened, which I thought worked perfectly thanks to the same thing happening with Abby.<br><br><br><br><br>Never really got why people were talking about the game being over the top dark and hard to play. It covered lots of brutal moments but felt similar to the first in that regard. Just a way less positive ending.<br><br><br></div></div></div><br><br><br>





I've been thinking and discussing more about the game, what exactly I did and didn't like. I think I let some of my negative emotions run a bit too strong, and I also realised a lot of those negative emotions are a positive for the game rather than a negative, and its a seriously impressive feat that the game got me to feel those feelings.

Its probably going to take me a while to process everything with this game, but I'm back to leaning more towards a 10/10 than a 9/10 for it overall. I probably most agree with giving it a 9.5/10 on a 20 point scale, like a lot of reviews did. I'm certain its not as good as the first game, but maybe it is better than Uncharted 4... idk. They're pretty close in my mind, both with quite different flaws.
It's definitely a lot to think about. I need to look up the trophies and see if I want the plat. I bet there is a ton of stuff I missed.


Specifically any time I was fighting humans that hadn't wronged me, I tried to sneak past them. Was cool that the game made me care about them as individuals instead of just digital targets.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Loved all their dialogue. They&#39;d be talking about pets, friends, etc. and they&#39;d have names that other NPCs would use. Incredible.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 06:49 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:


Spoiler for Hidden:

I expected the Abby moment to be a lot shorter. Jumping back to her as a kid was visually stunning and felt like a great way to give Jesse's death some time to sink in. His death was so incredibly unexpected that my draw literally dropped haha.

When it then switched to Abby on day one, I started getting frustrated that Abby was taking up so much time. I just wanted to get back to the scene with Ellie!

However as more and more time went on, I kinda started really embracing Abby as the character and was enjoying those moments a lot. Like the sky bridge scene was great! It was a bit too effective for me though because by the time the game finally made it back to Ellie, I was pretty much only viewing the game from her perspective.


I kinda hated all the cuts and jumps once the game reached the farm but I liked it as a fakout ending thanks to U4. I was really thinking it was just going to copy that game and end with Ellie at peace with her family. Then her PTSD flashback happened, which I thought worked perfectly thanks to the same thing happening with Abby.




Never really got why people were talking about the game being over the top dark and hard to play. It covered lots of brutal moments but felt similar to the first in that regard. Just a way less positive ending.











It's definitely a lot to think about. I need to look up the trophies and see if I want the plat. I bet there is a ton of stuff I missed.


Specifically any time I was fighting humans that hadn't wronged me, I tried to sneak past them. Was cool that the game made me care about them as individuals instead of just digital targets.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Loved all their dialogue. They'd be talking about pets, friends, etc. and they'd have names that other NPCs would use. Incredible.

@ the first spoiler tag - agree agree agree agree agree. I felt the same with everything. The game really isn't as brutal as some made it out to be. I was expecting something on the level that I'd never seen before, something truly harrowing that felt absolutely horrible. But nah, its brutal and gory sure but didn't feel any worse than many video games have been in the past. Was really weird, there was a point halfway through where I suddenly remembered all the talk about the brutal nature and I just thought "oh yeah, that's weird its felt pretty normal to me". Its exaxtly like you said.

And yeah since it wasn't that brutal it just felt like a normal video game to me and I was fine killing all the enemies just to make the game more fun. Sneaking all the way through an encounter is not my style and I don't find that enjoyable at all, I think I did it only once all game. Also I think there was only three encounters all game where it got hot and I just legged it to the end, and at least two of those it seemed like thats supposed to happen.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 21, 2020, 07:05 PM
@ the first spoiler tag - agree agree agree agree agree. I felt the same with everything. The game really isn't as brutal as some made it out to be. I was expecting something on the level that I'd never seen before, something truly harrowing that felt absolutely horrible. But nah, its brutal and gory sure but didn't feel any worse than many video games have been in the past. Was really weird, there was a point halfway through where I suddenly remembered all the talk about the brutal nature and I just thought "oh yeah, that's weird its felt pretty normal to me". Its exaxtly like you said.

And yeah since it wasn't that brutal it just felt like a normal video game to me and I was fine killing all the enemies just to make the game more fun. Sneaking all the way through an encounter is not my style and I don't find that enjoyable at all, I think I did it only once all game. Also I think there was only three encounters all game where it got hot and I just legged it to the end, and at least two of those it seemed like thats supposed to happen.
Which encounters?
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Rat king was really fun running from, and then a hard fight.<br><br>Ran out of the radio building.<br><br>Don&#39;t remember any others.<br>




Also I haven't googled it, but wtf was up with...

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>The space needle being in the wrong spot.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 07:09 PM
Which encounters?
Spoiler for Hidden:

Rat king was really fun running from, and then a hard fight.

Ran out of the radio building.

Don't remember any others.




Also I haven't googled it, but wtf was up with...

Spoiler for Hidden:

The space needle being in the wrong spot.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The one where Abby gets captured by the scars and an earlier infected encounter with Ellie and Dina. I also ran from the bloater with Abby and Lev.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 07:10 PM
Man, the discourse of this game on social media is really, really negative. Seems the majority of (vocal) people are hating it.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 21, 2020, 07:49 PM
The player reaction is just so screwed up. There are lots of racists and bigots hating it and there are people disliking it for genuine reasons.

I'd assume the majority are liking it but only time will tell.



On that note though, this is an amazingly inclusive game. It is one of the largest games in our industry yet is still pushing things forward.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 21, 2020, 08:24 PM
The player reaction is just so screwed up. There are lots of racists and bigots hating it and there are people disliking it for genuine reasons.

I'd assume the majority are liking it but only time will tell.



On that note though, this is an amazingly inclusive game. It is one of the largest games in our industry yet is still pushing things forward.
Honestly this is a big reason why I want to finish it asap.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 08:44 PM
The player reaction is just so screwed up. There are lots of racists and bigots hating it and there are people disliking it for genuine reasons.

I'd assume the majority are liking it but only time will tell.



On that note though, this is an amazingly inclusive game. It is one of the largest games in our industry yet is still pushing things forward.
I love, so so much, that a massive selling game has a gay female lead and an interesting trans character. I hope this is a catalyst for much better LGBTQ+ representation going forwards.

Its a shame that non-white representation isn't great in this game, it could also have really captured the BLM movement.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: DerNebel on Jun 21, 2020, 10:50 PM
Man, the discourse of this game on social media is really, really negative. Seems the majority of (vocal) people are hating it.
Here's the thing about that imo. We all know the internet wants to hate this, so that hate is clearly being amplified. It was just deleted by mods, but when I just went to reddits Games subreddit there was another thread about a youtuber, that's usually never posted (or at least upvoted) on there, rising to the top of their frontpage because, surprise surprise he was critical of TLOU2. This shame is currently everywhere and what this does is create a completely toxic environment for people who like the game to talk about that. I still haven't beaten the game, but should be getting close (at almost 28 hours, don't know if you guys are quick or I'm just slow).

Now maybe the ending will turn my entire opinion around and I will start hating the game, I doubt it but who knows, but even if I continue liking the game, I will sure as hell not bother going on social media or reddit or wherever to talk to people about that, because right now what's the fudgy point? You'll just be met with a wave of hate and shaming points that you'll be expected to argue and that's nothing short of exhausting.

The amount of dumb complaints I've seen online about this game is just staggering, but arguing against that is like talking to a hate spewing wall. It's just waste of time.

Also something that all those people who claim to hate the game and who keep shitting on how garbage it is should maybe keep in mind is that a game must be doing something right, if it pulls you in enough to play like 20 hours plus in a matter of 2-3 days. But hey maybe it's giving those people, who keep saying how garbage the game is too much credit, to assume they actually played what they are complaining about.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 21, 2020, 11:00 PM
Just deciding to gather all of my thoughts through scoring of lots of different categories.

Encounter design 10/10
General wider level design 9/10
Exploration & rewards 9/10
Gameplay pacing 10/10
Action sequences 10/10
Tension building and horror moments 10/10
Enemy and ally AI 10/10
World design, lore & background 9/10
Skills and upgrade systems 8/10
Crafting, tools and weaponry 9/10
Gameplay variety 10/10
Controls, fluidity & fun to play 10/10

Overall gameplay and game systems 10/10

Graphical quality 11/10
Attention to detail 11/10
Sound design 10/10
Soundtrack 10/10
Environment design 10/10
Animations 10/10
Enemies, NPC and character design 10/10
Level of polish 10/10

Overall design and production values 10/10

Voice acting 11/10
Motion capture & acting & facial animations 11/10
Dialogue quality 9/10
Characters 7/10
Character development within the game 5/10
Emotional delivery and execution of big moments 6/10
Factions, motivations and major plot events 7/10
Story structure and plot progression pacing 2/10
Deeper messaging, themes and lasting legacy 9/10
Diversity, representation and inclusivity 9/10
General plot quality & emotional impact 8/10

Overall characters, story and emotional delivery 7.5/10

Overall game 9.6/10 (masterpiece)

Spoiler for rough ratings for first game:
As an aside, here&#39;s what I think I&#39;d rate the major categories for TLOU1 (as of 2013/2014 standards of the industry):<br><br>Overall gameplay and game systems 8/10<br>Design and production values 10/10<br>Story, characters and emotional impact 11/10<br><br>Overall game 9.9/10 (masterpiece &amp; my #2 game of all time).
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 22, 2020, 12:06 AM
These sections with the new bloaters pisses me off.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 22, 2020, 01:34 AM
End game spoilers
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Reading more people online, I think an issue is that this game is more positive and nicer than the first.<br><br><br>In tlou part one, the ending is great because we say fudge society and act selfish. Almost every player likes that change with Joel.<br><br><br>Yet here, the ending is about becoming a better person. I was so happy Ellie didn&#39;t kill Abby, but it seems lots of people were still stuck on revenge and wanted her dead.<br><br>It&#39;s a lot harder to make people want to be good, and even for players that liked Abbie I doubt most matched Ellies&#39; desires scene by scene. Ellie for 99% of players does something they really do not want. (Like leaving the farm)<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 22, 2020, 04:57 AM
I'm still only around the 5 hour point.  

:'(
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>In a game with &quot;zombies&quot;, and there&#39;s something else I&#39;m way more terrified of. Wowza. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 22, 2020, 10:45 AM
Decent sample size now and average finish time on how long to beat is 21h 58m. I guess people on Era really do just take their time, I haven't seen a single person state their time that low and this is supposedly the average. I'd say I usually finish games about 10-15% faster than average, sometimes more, so my feeling that I was actually going a bit slower than my usual with TLOU2 was indeed right.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 22, 2020, 05:32 PM
Day 2 spoilers:

Spoiler for Hidden:
I just got done with the first seraphite encounter that was shown as a gameplay demo and holy fudge was that intense. &nbsp;Quite possibly so far my favorite encounter from the first and second games.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 22, 2020, 05:45 PM
naughty dog responds to claims (https://www.resetera.com/threads/naughty-dog-artist-responds-to-accusation-that-they-were-forced-to-watch-violent-material-to-simulate-the-violent-gameplay-in-tlou-2.232957/)

Can't read this now.  Saving this until I beat the game.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 22, 2020, 06:03 PM
naughty dog responds to claims (https://www.resetera.com/threads/naughty-dog-artist-responds-to-accusation-that-they-were-forced-to-watch-violent-material-to-simulate-the-violent-gameplay-in-tlou-2.232957/)

Can't read this now.  Saving this until I beat the game.
Just a response to conspiracy theories but the thread comments get into spoiler territory.

Also don't feel rushed to finish the game. I really rushed the very end because it was 4 AM and I regret that.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 22, 2020, 07:45 PM
The end of day 2! So good.  Starting day 3 now
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 22, 2020, 08:20 PM
Day 2 spoilers:

Spoiler for Hidden:
I just got done with the first seraphite encounter that was shown as a gameplay demo and holy fudge was that intense.  Quite possibly so far my favorite encounter from the first and second games.

I get the feeling you're going to be repeating that line a lot over the coming days ;D

The encounter design in this game is truly astonishing, and the action sequences are mesmerising. I'm actually getting a real urge to replay this.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 22, 2020, 10:07 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Doggie just tried killing me<br><br>0/10 game confirmed. <br><br>


Spoiler for Hidden:
<br><br>For real, I&#39;m still heavily enjoying it.&nbsp; <br>ND has gotten really good at making linear games feel like I&#39;m just going the way I&#39;m supposed to, instead of trying to figure the next progression.&nbsp; <br><br>This game does some things better than the first and a bit worst in others.&nbsp; Like sound design, and music is awesome.&nbsp; And it will possibly be the reason why I will like this game better than the first.&nbsp; <br><br>I&#39;m only about 7 hours in.&nbsp; And again this is the first time I&#39;ve felt so good about a sequel.&nbsp;
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: DerNebel on Jun 22, 2020, 10:17 PM
Decent sample size now and average finish time on how long to beat is 21h 58m. I guess people on Era really do just take their time, I haven't seen a single person state their time that low and this is supposedly the average. I'd say I usually finish games about 10-15% faster than average, sometimes more, so my feeling that I was actually going a bit slower than my usual with TLOU2 was indeed right.
I finally beat it just now, must have taken me around 30 hours. Guess I'm just more...methodical than other people. :D

Thoughts

Spoiler for Hidden:
I really like the ending, very impactful I thought.<br><br>I couldn&#39;t believe that there was still an actually fleshed out part of the game after Ellie&#39;s and Abby&#39;s fight in the cinema. I thought there&#39;d be a quick epilogue and that was it.<br><br>The gameplay is great, the level design amazing and the technology powering this is just mindblowing. How is some of this even possible on a PS4?<br><br>I ended up liking Abby and thought the motivations for her actions were well explained<br><br>Some of the new characters are kind of meh, not bad but they didn&#39;t add much to me.<br><br>Overall I really, really liked it.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 22, 2020, 10:26 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:

Doggie just tried killing me

0/10 game confirmed.



Spoiler for Hidden:


For real, I'm still heavily enjoying it.  
ND has gotten really good at making linear games feel like I'm just going the way I'm supposed to, instead of trying to figure the next progression.  

This game does some things better than the first and a bit worst in others.  Like sound design, and music is awesome.  And it will possibly be the reason why I will like this game better than the first.  

I'm only about 7 hours in.  And again this is the first time I've felt so good about a sequel.  
For your first spoiler.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Isn&#39;t killing dogs in the game just horrible? The devs knew everyone was super desensitized to murder so they used dogs to make us feel bad about our actions &nbsp;:&#39;( <br>

I finally beat it just now, must have taken me around 30 hours. Guess I'm just more...methodical than other people. :D

Thoughts

I bet you died a lot, hence the long play time  :P

Jk of course. I love how fast this game reloads after failure. I don't know if it was just that or other factors too but it made the game feel easier. Like death was less punishing.


I was a horrible cheeser and took advantage of it at times. Like I would just run past enemies to get a lay of the land, and then I'd take it serious. Definitely harmed my experience  :P
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: DerNebel on Jun 22, 2020, 10:32 PM
For your first spoiler.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Isn't killing dogs in the game just horrible? The devs knew everyone was super desensitized to murder so they used dogs to make us feel bad about our actions  :'(

I bet you died a lot, hence the long play time  :P

Jk of course. I love how fast this game reloads after failure. I don't know if it was just that or other factors too but it made the game feel easier. Like death was less punishing.


I was a horrible cheeser and took advantage of it at times. Like I would just run past enemies to get a lay of the land, and then I'd take it serious. Definitely harmed my experience  :P
I died a couple times, sometimes deliberately when an encounter didn't go like I hoped, when I wasted a lot of ammo for instance. So that may have added to the time, also I often tried to go stealthy, but unfortunately it seems downright impossible to clear many of the human arena's without getting detected. Or I just didn't have the patience for it.

Oh and I don't like missing loot or any of the collectables so I also searched a lot.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 22, 2020, 10:34 PM
I died a couple times, sometimes deliberately when an encounter didn't go like I hoped, when I wasted a lot of ammo for instance. So that may have added to the time, also I often tried to go stealthy, but unfortunately it seems downright impossible to clear many of the human arena's without getting detected. Or I just didn't have the patience for it.

Oh and I don't like missing loot or any of the collectables so I also searched a lot.
In the menu, how many collectibles did you find?

There are two trophies for specific collectibles and I only found the first. Now I'm going back to get everything for the plat.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: DerNebel on Jun 22, 2020, 10:42 PM
In the menu, how many collectibles did you find?

There are two trophies for specific collectibles and I only found the first. Now I'm going back to get everything for the plat.
I didn't complete any of the sets, didn't check how many of them I got either. Might do that tomorrow.

I'll probably go for the platinum too, seems pretty easy.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 23, 2020, 02:31 AM
Day 2
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>What is up with Tommy&#39;s super vision?<br><br>Also that was a ridiculously long encounter. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 23, 2020, 02:46 AM
Day 2
Spoiler for Hidden:

What is up with Tommy's super vision?

Also that was a ridiculously long encounter.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Tommy&#39;s super vision? I do not recall that lol.<br>




Also this is really cool. Only spoils an optional 1 off game mechanic.
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>https://twitter.com/jessarae/status/1274628201268916224<br><br><div style="text-align:center;margin:auto;padding:5px;max-width:560px;"><div style="position:relative;padding-bottom:56.25%;padding-top:0px;height:0;overflow:hidden;" class="youtube tero0sRNi8U"> <iframe style="position:absolute;top:0;left:0;width:100%;height:100%;" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tero0sRNi8U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> </div></div><br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 23, 2020, 02:47 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:

Tommy's super vision? I do not recall that lol.


Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>When you&#39;re on a walk with Tommy.&nbsp; <br><br>And he gives you the sniper rifle.&nbsp; <br><br>Somehow he&#39;s able to see how many infected there are across the mountain.&nbsp; <br><br>Although maybe he had binoculars and I wasn&#39;t looking at him. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 23, 2020, 03:22 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:

When you're on a walk with Tommy.  

And he gives you the sniper rifle.  

Somehow he's able to see how many infected there are across the mountain.  

Although maybe he had binoculars and I wasn't looking at him.


Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Oh that!<br><br>I&#39;d have to replay it but I think I&#39;d be able to see people at that distance too.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 23, 2020, 04:01 AM
I kill everyone. I'm constantly out of bullets.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 23, 2020, 05:34 AM
I'm still only around the 5 hour point.  

:'(
Spoiler for Hidden:

In a game with "zombies", and there's something else I'm way more terrified of. Wowza.

I'm now at the 10 hour mark.  

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br><br>I&#39;m so far pleasantly disturbed by the scars. <br><br>I was expecting them to be pretty much the same kind of enemy that we have seen.<br><br>But nope. <br>They somehow manage the intensity of infected with the better plotting of the human enemies. Creepy as heck. &nbsp;<br><br>I am loving the game. <br>


I kill everyone. I'm constantly out of bullets.
I've been playing more aggressively as I've gone on.  Just about ran out of everything.  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 23, 2020, 12:44 PM
Day 3 spoilers:

Spoiler for Hidden:
i&#39;m now at the point where i kill owen and the one girl. &nbsp;Tommy just found ellie. &nbsp;16 hours in.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 23, 2020, 02:05 PM
Day 3 spoilers:

Spoiler for Hidden:
i'm now at the point where i kill owen and the one girl.  Tommy just found ellie.  16 hours in.

So what did you think of the following moments?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 23, 2020, 02:22 PM
So what did you think of the following moments?
Thats where i stopped.  i haven't gone farther yet.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 23, 2020, 02:38 PM
Thats where i stopped.  i haven't gone farther yet.
Oh wow you picked quite the time to stop ;D
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 23, 2020, 03:24 PM
Oh wow you picked quite the time to stop ;D
well shame. lol
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 23, 2020, 03:44 PM
well shame. lol
You're like 5-10 minutes away from discovering what's so controversial about the game. But I won't say any more!
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 23, 2020, 03:59 PM
You're like 5-10 minutes away from discovering what's so controversial about the game. But I won't say any more!
I think you've already said too much!
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>For me it felt like such a slow peacefull moment. Did not expect it to be full on Jesse murder time.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 23, 2020, 04:01 PM
I think you've already said too much!
Spoiler for Hidden:

For me it felt like such a slow peacefull moment. Did not expect it to be full on Jesse murder time.

I meant the bit after that.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 23, 2020, 04:34 PM
No spoilers. About Amy Hennig leaving Naughty Dog







Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 23, 2020, 04:45 PM
I meant the bit after that.
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Ya the potential game issues are after that, but the leadup was really good imo.<br><br><br>I think the horrible pacing at that moment is that players have no reason to expect to play as Abby for so long. I thought it&#39;d just be the flashback at the zoo and was genuinely disappointed when it switched to her at the stadium. Then I was disappointed when it just kept going on and on. I wanted to get back to the cliffhanger.<br><br>At some point though I became invested in Abby and started enjoying all her gameplay, but at that point the significance of the cliffhanger was lost. Definitely would have worked better if there was a way to telegraph that Abby was a worthy half of the game and not just a flashback.<br><br><br>I think the RPG nature of the game hurt it with all the time skips. Like if gear and collectibles wouldn&#39;t carry over, why would I feel invested in them? Was cool with Abby in the zoo because her backpack had story related documents but it was bad with the start of main Abby and some of the jumps later on.<br><br><br><br>Also just a random thing while we&#39;re in end game spoilers again, I wonder if all those hard cuts to black were used for loading? It felt bad every time they happened near the end because every single one felt like the start of credits, but maybe they didn&#39;t have an option for some of them.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 23, 2020, 06:58 PM
I feel like the people complaining about the game don't understand the world they are playing in. Or they are trolls.

Like people complaining they have to play as abby when she done horrible stuff. Like OK. Youve played as Joel, who's done horrible stuff to others just to survive. And it caught up with him. Hes like the Anti Hero.

Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 23, 2020, 07:16 PM
I feel like the people complaining about the game don't understand the world they are playing in. Or they are trolls.

Like people complaining they have to play as abby when she done horrible stuff. Like OK. Youve played as Joel, who's done horrible stuff to others just to survive. And it caught up with him. Hes like the Anti Hero.


Only using spoilers pre seattle.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I don&#39;t understand it either. There are issues with the game but I&#39;m shocked so many people are fueled by revenge this strongly.<br><br>I did not want to kill Joel. The second I was Abby in the snow, I fired all my bullets to sabotage her intentions. There is definitely something to discuss about games having players go against their desires, I&#39;ll be making that thread after more have finished, but I really don&#39;t understand the disgust people have towards controlling her.<br><br>&quot;She killed my boy!&quot; And?<br><br>Late game disagreements with the plot can be the fault of the game and pacing is certainly the fault of the game, but this specific part just feels like players lacking a desire for depth. Same goes with Joel getting killed as if he should have prevented it. Would have been fun if he didn&#39;t die but his death felt pretty dang honest to his character and the situation.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 23, 2020, 08:30 PM
You're like 5-10 minutes away from discovering what's so controversial about the game. But I won't say any more!
Shiiiiiit.  i haven't had a chance to play today but now i'm like itching to play.  will probably be later tonight till i play though.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 23, 2020, 08:49 PM
Starting Day 3.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 23, 2020, 11:29 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I just killed the last vita owner


Just hit day 3. OMG..
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 24, 2020, 03:42 AM
Man....
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 24, 2020, 04:01 AM
Man....
Woman... ?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 24, 2020, 04:07 AM
Woman... ?
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Towards the end of day 1, the second time. &nbsp;<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 24, 2020, 04:17 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:

Towards the end of day 1, the second time.  

You've had more time to play it  :D

Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 24, 2020, 04:49 AM
I am 14.5 hours in. I'm not sure how fast/slow I'm going.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>This is already the most conflicting story I&#39;ve ever played. <br><br>They&#39;re going out of their way to personify all the people that Ellie killed. &nbsp;<br>They even made the Vita girl a person with a name. &nbsp;<br><br>I&#39;m sure I still have like a third of the game to go. &nbsp;<br><br>I&#39;m not sure what the lesson will end up being. &nbsp;<br><br>There are no bad guys, just people trying their best?<br><br>I sympathize with Joel because they wanted to kill a 14 year old girl to create a cure. &nbsp;Someone that he loved. &nbsp;<br><br>I sympathize with Abby because her dad was basically trying to save the world and gets killed for it. &nbsp;<br><br>It&#39;s like the trolley problem where people who picked a side end up dying over revenge. &nbsp;<br><br>I think the game is as incredible as it has been since the beginning. &nbsp;It&#39;s making me feel dread. Which I don&#39;t mind, I love the feeling because it reminds me how much life is worth living. I know super weird. <br><br>I don&#39;t know if it when I would play this again. The biggest fault that I have of it, is that it&#39;s pretty long. &nbsp;<br><br>Like compared to Uncharted 2, that just felt like the perfect length. &nbsp;And I still consider it a basically perfect game. &nbsp;<br><br>This feels like the same quality but with worse pacing. &nbsp;I&#39;m still enjoying every minute of it, but it&#39;s long. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 24, 2020, 04:53 AM
I am 14.5 hours in. I'm not sure how fast/slow I'm going.

Spoiler for Hidden:

This is already the most conflicting story I've ever played.

They're going out of their way to personify all the people that Ellie killed.  
They even made the Vita girl a person with a name.  

I'm sure I still have like a third of the game to go.  

I'm not sure what the lesson will end up being.  

There are no bad guys, just people trying their best?

I sympathize with Joel because they wanted to kill a 14 year old girl to create a cure.  Someone that he loved.  

I sympathize with Abby because her dad was basically trying to save the world and gets killed for it.  

It's like the trolley problem where people who picked a side end up dying over revenge.  

I think the game is as incredible as it has been since the beginning.  It's making me feel dread. Which I don't mind, I love the feeling because it reminds me how much life is worth living. I know super weird.

I don't know if it when I would play this again. The biggest fault that I have of it, is that it's pretty long.  

Like compared to Uncharted 2, that just felt like the perfect length.  And I still consider it a basically perfect game.  

This feels like the same quality but with worse pacing.  I'm still enjoying every minute of it, but it's long.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>It&#39;s very very long. Might be the longest linear game of this type.<br><br>My thoughts were really similar to yours at that point.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: DerNebel on Jun 24, 2020, 06:35 AM
Only using spoilers pre seattle.

Spoiler for Hidden:

I don't understand it either. There are issues with the game but I'm shocked so many people are fueled by revenge this strongly.

I did not want to kill Joel. The second I was Abby in the snow, I fired all my bullets to sabotage her intentions. There is definitely something to discuss about games having players go against their desires, I'll be making that thread after more have finished, but I really don't understand the disgust people have towards controlling her.

"She killed my boy!" And?

Late game disagreements with the plot can be the fault of the game and pacing is certainly the fault of the game, but this specific part just feels like players lacking a desire for depth. Same goes with Joel getting killed as if he should have prevented it. Would have been fun if he didn't die but his death felt pretty dang honest to his character and the situation.

Spoiler for Hidden:
The thing is, it seems like a lot of people ever so slightly changed the story of the first game in their head, to have Joel be the hero in the end. Things like that there were audio recordings in the game that told you the fireflies already tried many more patients like Ellie before and it never worked, or that the game was making it a point to show that the fireflies where just amateurs who would never be able to find a cure. <br><br>This of course goes blatantly against the point of that game&#39;s ending. However believing those things to be true makes it a lot easier to say Joel didn&#39;t deserve to die or that he didn&#39;t deserve the death he got.<br><br>Instead I saw people talk about him getting a hero&#39;s death instead, which would be utterly out of character for TLOU, but since they turned him into the hero of the first game in their head, they of course have an easier time justifying that.<br><br>A lot of the complainers appear to need to replay on the original game.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 24, 2020, 08:48 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
The thing is, it seems like a lot of people ever so slightly changed the story of the first game in their head, to have Joel be the hero in the end. Things like that there were audio recordings in the game that told you the fireflies already tried many more patients like Ellie before and it never worked, or that the game was making it a point to show that the fireflies where just amateurs who would never be able to find a cure.

This of course goes blatantly against the point of that game's ending. However believing those things to be true makes it a lot easier to say Joel didn't deserve to die or that he didn't deserve the death he got.

Instead I saw people talk about him getting a hero's death instead, which would be utterly out of character for TLOU, but since they turned him into the hero of the first game in their head, they of course have an easier time justifying that.

A lot of the complainers appear to need to replay on the original game.

Either that or people just think:

Joel = white male protagonist.

=> Joel = hero
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 24, 2020, 12:55 PM
I'm sooooooo conflicted right now.  I don't even know what to think:  

Spoiler for Hidden:
First off why gotta do Jesse like that. &nbsp;I was started to really like him. :&#39;( &nbsp;<br><br>Second: &nbsp;Now i&#39;m playing as the woman who bashed in joels head. &nbsp;Like whaaaaaat. &nbsp;But whats so conflicting is we hate these characters but love joel and ellie so it was a pretty massive change. &nbsp;Getting towards the end of Abby Day 1. Bout to meet Isaac. &nbsp;<br><br>And you know what, i&#39;m actually starting to like abby, and i like we actually are getting a chance to see this world from a viewpoint other than ellie&#39;s and joel&#39;s.<br>


Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 24, 2020, 06:36 PM
I only started noticing this way later in the game, but Ellie visually reminded me a lot of Jake Gyllenhaal lol.

A skinny, female, Jake Gyllenhaal.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 25, 2020, 01:34 AM
Abby is sorta a bad dog.Way more powerful than ellie
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 25, 2020, 02:39 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I almost feel like this would have been better as two games, or something. <br><br>


My first glitch.  

Got stuck between next to a wall between an opened door and a closed door, fell through the floor into a black abyss.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 25, 2020, 03:33 AM
Second glitch in 17 hrs.

Arm is horribly contorted.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 25, 2020, 03:44 AM
I had 2 glitches.

One was just a texture decal didn't blend during a key cutscene like moment but it was minor.

Second was after squeezing through an area, animation glitched and I looked like a creepy ghost floating as I moved for a few seconds. Not a t pose, like an on purpose creepy ghost ala death stranding.

Edt: 3rd glitch

Fell down a ladder instead of climbing down. Was like 10 feet but the game killed me. Had a funky death animation since the game sure didn't plan for this.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 25, 2020, 04:46 AM
Starting to feel like Dead Space...
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 25, 2020, 04:51 AM
Starting to feel like Dead Space...
Well I sure know where you are!  ;D
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 25, 2020, 09:35 AM
I haven't experienced any glitches at all yet.


Spoiler for Hidden:

I almost feel like this would have been better as two games, or something.



My first glitch.  

Got stuck between next to a wall between an opened door and a closed door, fell through the floor into a black abyss.

I know what you mean by that, the structure is just so weird and especially when you're around the part of the game that you're at it just feels like its going on forever and the real story is never going to progress, but it all comes back together well.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 25, 2020, 10:01 AM
Reading discussions on r/gaming and the shift to positivity is astounding. As lots of people have now played and finished the game and, on the whole, absolutely loved it the comments are just full of people being positive and recommending the game. I don't think sales are going to be impacted by the hate patrol at all, first week sales are huge and real WOM is very positive.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 25, 2020, 03:35 PM
Reached the halfway point in my NG+ all collectibles playthrough much quicker thanks to following a collectible guide. I'm at 8h 30m, which is 2h 30m faster than last time. I think I rushed the second half a bit in my first playthrough so I don't expect to gain as much time, but will probably finish in about 16 hours. So not too long until I get the plat.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 25, 2020, 03:38 PM
Whats the half way mark? Just trying to gage where I'm at in the game
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 25, 2020, 03:48 PM
Whats the half way mark? Just trying to gage where I'm at in the game
~12 hours.

A bit past seattle day 3 imo.

Reached the halfway point in my NG+ all collectibles playthrough much quicker thanks to following a collectible guide. I'm at 8h 30m, which is 2h 30m faster than last time. I think I rushed the second half a bit in my first playthrough so I don't expect to gain as much time, but will probably finish in about 16 hours. So not too long until I get the plat.
I'm speedrunning my collectible run. Playing on super easy.

Will do a real ng+ run probably in a few months.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 25, 2020, 05:35 PM
~12 hours.

A bit past seattle day 3 imo.

I'm speedrunning my collectible run. Playing on super easy.

Will do a real ng+ run probably in a few months.
I'm on normal but resources on easy so I don't have to explore or scavenge at all but I still get the fun of each encounter.
Whats the half way mark? Just trying to gage where I'm at in the game
End of Seattle day 3 is roughly the halfway point. In my first playthrough it was middle of day 3 which was half my playtime but I rushed the second half of the game a bit.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 25, 2020, 05:38 PM
I'm an idiot.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I had all the pieces in front of me and it took me a while to get that Lev is trans. &nbsp;<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 25, 2020, 06:31 PM
I'm an idiot.

Spoiler for Hidden:

I had all the pieces in front of me and it took me a while to get that Lev is trans.  

Took me a while as well tbh
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 25, 2020, 08:12 PM
Still haven't got the game. Have yet to play my switch games more first I think. Will probably get it when my summer holiday starts in 2 weeks
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 25, 2020, 08:41 PM
Here we go.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 26, 2020, 02:59 AM

My second glitch.

PS4 didn't let me get the other glitch, because the video saving didn't work half the game. 

The game is done.

tl;dr  the game is great fun.  Weak points are the length, pacing and story.  I say a 9.5/10.  A bit of a step down from the original for me. 

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I want to replay the first game, and just see how things are different.&nbsp; My memory might not be exact.&nbsp; From memory some things feel better here and some things feel worse.&nbsp; <br><br>I feel a bit bothered by this game.&nbsp; With the first game every action felt reasonably justifiable to me.&nbsp; <br>With this game though, it feels like they throw the punch line out in the first third of the game, that revenge just gets more revenge.&nbsp; (Jesse says something to that effect).&nbsp; But here there were a fair amount of actions that just felt wrong in the first place. And they came with huge consequences.&nbsp; <br><br>Like Nora, wasn&#39;t the worst death.&nbsp; That felt reasonably justifiable.&nbsp; She was kind of being psychotic towards the end...<br><br>But several of the other deaths didn&#39;t feel that way.&nbsp; Even in the moment it felt like why did it have to go that way.&nbsp; And it gets so much worse when they go back and show what they were the past few days.&nbsp; The story almost feels cringeworthy at times with how bad everything just has to feel.&nbsp; <br><br>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a bad story.&nbsp; I think it&#39;s a good one, but the actions feel much much harder to justify.&nbsp; It feels like Ellie should have learned the lesson a lot sooner.&nbsp; <br><br>When she was living with Dina and the baby that is what should have been the end I think.&nbsp; <br>Also this kind of felt like a throwback to Jak and Daxter.&nbsp; In that game, basically the first mission is corralling the cows much like how Ellie corrals the sheep.&nbsp; <br><br>It felt like at this point the lesson had been learned. Ellie was moving on with her life, and Tommy just comes in and says nope you promised me.&nbsp; <br><br>(Edit: a couple people talked about this already, but I think a part of the pacing issue was that I wasn&#39;t expecting Abby&#39;s storyline to go so long.&nbsp; Like I was expecting it to be fairly quick, and then I was hoping it&#39;d just be a shorter timeline of what happened leading up to it, instead, they filled it with basically as much content as the first part.&nbsp; Which sucks when it ended up on a cliffhanger.&nbsp; I feel like a lot of the story could have been rearranged better for impact and pacing.)<br><br>Gameplay feels slightly refined from the first game.&nbsp; No major differences.&nbsp; It was a really nice touch that Abby and Ellie had differences.&nbsp; Not just in how they move and act, but actual gameplay differences.&nbsp; Different weapons.&nbsp; It just feels like the kind of thing that could have been made into two separate games.&nbsp; <br>The game play overall is the real highlight of the game of course. <br><br>Sound design is awesome.&nbsp; The music when you find the scars strung up the wlf&#39;s was perfectly enthralling. I didn&#39;t feel like the rest of the game quite captured the level of feeling I had there.&nbsp; The first scars encounter was pretty darn close.&nbsp; I said before the whistling, and the differences of tactics made them feel like the best of the other humans and infected.&nbsp; <br><br>The 3D audio overall worked decently.&nbsp; Didn&#39;t matter all the time, but it really had it&#39;s moments.&nbsp; There was a moment in a broken down building where I heard a bird and was half expecting there to be one after I took my headphones off. There were a few little delightful moments like that.&nbsp; <br><br>Visually the game is quite stunning.&nbsp; I was trying to take quite a few pictures and videos but generally it took a few minutes before the video feature even became available. And the pictures generally took like half a minute before they even were available. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 26, 2020, 03:58 AM
You've made it!

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br><br>I think Ellie was only fueled by revenge in the beginning. Eventually it is more just her suffering and trying what she thinks will help. Just like how Abby kills Joel but still has the nightmares about her dad.<br><br><br>For playing as Abby, maybe it would have worked better to market Abby as a main playable character like a reverse halo 5. Make people think she is one of the new characters and is Ellie&#39;s friend. Then the twist would be that she is anything but her friend.<br><br><div style="text-align:center;margin:auto;padding:5px;max-width:560px;"><div style="position:relative;padding-bottom:56.25%;padding-top:0px;height:0;overflow:hidden;" class="youtube g6rRfK-V2jY"> <iframe style="position:absolute;top:0;left:0;width:100%;height:100%;" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/g6rRfK-V2jY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> </div></div><br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 26, 2020, 09:49 AM

My second glitch.

PS4 didn't let me get the other glitch, because the video saving didn't work half the game.  

The game is done.

tl;dr  the game is great fun.  Weak points are the length, pacing and story.  I say a 9.5/10.  A bit of a step down from the original for me.  

Spoiler for Hidden:

I want to replay the first game, and just see how things are different.  My memory might not be exact.  From memory some things feel better here and some things feel worse.  

I feel a bit bothered by this game.  With the first game every action felt reasonably justifiable to me.  
With this game though, it feels like they throw the punch line out in the first third of the game, that revenge just gets more revenge.  (Jesse says something to that effect).  But here there were a fair amount of actions that just felt wrong in the first place. And they came with huge consequences.  

Like Nora, wasn't the worst death.  That felt reasonably justifiable.  She was kind of being psychotic towards the end...

But several of the other deaths didn't feel that way.  Even in the moment it felt like why did it have to go that way.  And it gets so much worse when they go back and show what they were the past few days.  The story almost feels cringeworthy at times with how bad everything just has to feel.  

I don't think it's a bad story.  I think it's a good one, but the actions feel much much harder to justify.  It feels like Ellie should have learned the lesson a lot sooner.  

When she was living with Dina and the baby that is what should have been the end I think.  
Also this kind of felt like a throwback to Jak and Daxter.  In that game, basically the first mission is corralling the cows much like how Ellie corrals the sheep.  

It felt like at this point the lesson had been learned. Ellie was moving on with her life, and Tommy just comes in and says nope you promised me.  

(Edit: a couple people talked about this already, but I think a part of the pacing issue was that I wasn't expecting Abby's storyline to go so long.  Like I was expecting it to be fairly quick, and then I was hoping it'd just be a shorter timeline of what happened leading up to it, instead, they filled it with basically as much content as the first part.  Which sucks when it ended up on a cliffhanger.  I feel like a lot of the story could have been rearranged better for impact and pacing.)

Gameplay feels slightly refined from the first game.  No major differences.  It was a really nice touch that Abby and Ellie had differences.  Not just in how they move and act, but actual gameplay differences.  Different weapons.  It just feels like the kind of thing that could have been made into two separate games.  
The game play overall is the real highlight of the game of course.

Sound design is awesome.  The music when you find the scars strung up the wlf's was perfectly enthralling. I didn't feel like the rest of the game quite captured the level of feeling I had there.  The first scars encounter was pretty darn close.  I said before the whistling, and the differences of tactics made them feel like the best of the other humans and infected.  

The 3D audio overall worked decently.  Didn't matter all the time, but it really had it's moments.  There was a moment in a broken down building where I heard a bird and was half expecting there to be one after I took my headphones off. There were a few little delightful moments like that.  

Visually the game is quite stunning.  I was trying to take quite a few pictures and videos but generally it took a few minutes before the video feature even became available. And the pictures generally took like half a minute before they even were available.

Yay you finished! I think I pretty much agree with all your sentiments, the story is just messy and I can't help but feel like it could've been done better without changing it that much. Overall it's a good story but it's a big step down first, which was a fantastic story told in a much more tight and coherent manner.

Gameplay is a huge step up on the other hand, and production values are off the charts.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 26, 2020, 02:21 PM
The misleading trailers argument has got to take the cake.

If you watched the one where Ellie tells joel shes going to kill them all, you should have known there's a high probability that
Spoiler for Hidden:
joel was dead.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 26, 2020, 02:23 PM
The misleading trailers argument has got to take the cake.

If you watched the one where Ellie tells joel shes going to kill them all, you should have known there's a high probability that joel was dead.
That one is so dumb to me.  
They did that to not spoil the story.  

Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 26, 2020, 02:38 PM
That one is so dumb to me.  
They did that to not spoil the story.  


It's the exact same thing as the first too. Where they used trailers to sell Ellie killing Joel.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 26, 2020, 09:51 PM
I always kind of felt like  zombie apocalypses in America would go different from the movies. Due to paranoia and gun people.

But considering the covid response it seems pretty realistic now.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 26, 2020, 10:06 PM
I always kind of felt like  zombie apocalypses in America would go different from the movies. Due to paranoia and gun people.

But considering the covid response it seems pretty realistic now.
Zombies are the stupidest threat and

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I&#39;m really glad that this game focuses on how conflict between people is a bigger problem under apocalyptic circumstances. Like the scars had massive cities and purely from a survival point of view they were thriving.<br><br>For a while I was expecting the game to be about the fungus mutating and humanity starting to go extinct but instead it shows that time and time again, humans are the driving force behind most of this misery.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 26, 2020, 11:09 PM
Spoiler for Hidden:
Abby day 2 and 3


is probably the best sequence in all of gaming. Just masterful, I'm very much looking forward to replaying that part of the game soon.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Haven set piece absolutely blew my mind, that&#39;s exactly what I play games for. Just so goddam awesome.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 27, 2020, 02:53 PM
Getting towards the end of my second playthrough and I'm so much more positive on the game second time around. I still think my criticisms stand and the game falls short of its predecessor, but this is definitely confirming to me that its a masterpiece. I think I do put it above U2 as Naughty Dog's second best game.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 27, 2020, 03:55 PM
Im on day 3 again. I think I would have done
Spoiler for Hidden:
Abbys section a bit different. Her and Ellie could have been at the hospital at the same time. She should have come up to find all the damage Ellie left behind.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 27, 2020, 04:14 PM
Getting towards the end of my second playthrough and I'm so much more positive on the game second time around. I still think my criticisms stand and the game falls short of its predecessor, but this is definitely confirming to me that its a masterpiece. I think I do put it above U2 as Naughty Dog's second best game.
For me probably:
U2>=TLOU>TLOU2>Uncharted 4>Jak series >Uncharted 3> Uncharted 1
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2020, 05:29 PM
U2=U3=TLOU=TLOU2>U1=GA=U4


U3 and TLOU2 are chaotic good. They have amazing highs but they also have some fundamental lows.
U2  and TLOU1 are uniformly good. They are extremely consistent and are almost always at their best.

U4 is also chaotic good, and U1 and GA are uniformly good, but I think at the moment I'd rank them below the other four.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 27, 2020, 07:26 PM
Since we're doing this:

TLOU>TLOU2>=U2>U4>U3>Crash Games>U1 (not played Jak)

U2=U3=TLOU=TLOU2>U1=GA=U4


U3 and TLOU2 are chaotic good. They have amazing highs but they also have some fundamental lows.
U2  and TLOU1 are uniformly good. They are extremely consistent and are almost always at their best.

U4 is also chaotic good, and U1 and GA are uniformly good, but I think at the moment I'd rank them below the other four.
Yeah I agree with your statements, although GA isn't a Naughty Dog game :P
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 27, 2020, 07:50 PM
TLOU 2 has over 80k user reviews.

GTA V across 5 different versions has around 20k.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 27, 2020, 08:25 PM
TLOU 2 has over 80k user reviews.

GTA V across 5 different versions has around 20k.
Did it sell 4 times more than GTAV?  8)

It's funny, already I've seen some clueless gamers on Facebook calling it a flop and when asked why they refer to the meta user score...
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 28, 2020, 05:21 AM
Just finishes the game. The credits are still rolling. I need time to think.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 28, 2020, 03:29 PM
As A Gamer Without Sight, I've completed The Last Of Us Part II entirely without sighted assistance. : thelastofus (https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/comments/hh358z/as_a_gamer_without_sight_ive_completed_the_last/)
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 29, 2020, 03:06 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
I think it&#39;s important to have Abby&#39;s and Ellie&#39;s story together. &nbsp;But I almost kind of feel like it could have worked as two games. <br><br>Except:<br>Abby&#39;s storyline is important to put Ellie&#39;s story into context. &nbsp;Not just the motivations of the villian, but the consequences of Ellie&#39;s actions. &nbsp;<br><br>It also is important to give Ellie&#39;s story a motivation. &nbsp;<br><br>If you only played Ellie&#39;s story, the similarities and the consequences wouldn&#39;t quite hit. &nbsp;<br><br>If you only played Abby&#39;s story, it might work better, but it still has problems. &nbsp;And no one would want to play it for sure. &nbsp;<br><br><br>This is ultimately Ellie&#39;s story, but Abby&#39;s story is what makes her story possible. &nbsp;<br><br><br>I don&#39;t think the game would benefit getting split up, but maybe shortened still. Make Abby&#39;s day 1 shorter or something, or fit the story into two days. &nbsp;<br><br>Abby&#39;s latter story is so awesome, but the game&#39;s overall pacing hurts from the length. &nbsp;<br><br>Although I bet the pacing is better the second time around because you aren&#39;t expecting a 40 minute story anymore. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jun 29, 2020, 04:19 AM
Spoiler for Hidden:
[<br>Could have done more to make players expect abby.<br><br>I think as you said, it feels like two games from that point of view.<br><br>I love it now, but in the moment it didn&#39;t feel right. Can&#39;t think of a good way to improve it, beyond maybe moving the zoo flashback.<br><br>/spoiler]<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 29, 2020, 10:57 AM
Platinum get! Hell yeah, feels good to finally get a Naughty Dog plat, even though it was way easier than the rest.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 29, 2020, 01:42 PM
So still have yet to beat it as I haven't had the time to play since I had some family in town.

Spoiler for Hidden:
im just starting again as Abby in California. How much longer do I have? &nbsp;And yeah the haven part was soooo good


I'm around 26 to 27 hours
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jun 29, 2020, 02:01 PM
So still have yet to beat it as I haven't had the time to play since I had some family in town.

Spoiler for Hidden:
im just starting again as Abby in California. How much longer do I have?  And yeah the haven part was soooo good


I'm around 26 to 27 hours
Roughly 2 hours left. Think it took me about 1h 30 from there.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 29, 2020, 02:24 PM
https://youtu.be/g6rRfK-V2jY

Really good podcast talking about everything.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jun 29, 2020, 04:20 PM
So i feel like I need to play the game again. Maybe all the intent leaks and hate ruined it for me. It was everywhere and unavoidable.

I would have liked to see the ending change slightly.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Instead of Abby biting of Ellies fingers it should have been the clicker in the tree.<br>They should have skipped the threat on levs life. Instead I think Ellie should have Beat on Abby and drowned her while abby refused to fighter her. &nbsp;And in that moment Ellie would realizes her death would not bring fulfillment for Joels death.


i think it would have made more sense to me.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jun 29, 2020, 10:25 PM
Just finished!  Wooooooooow!

So good
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 01, 2020, 06:49 PM
So i feel like I need to play the game again. Maybe all the intent leaks and hate ruined it for me. It was everywhere and unavoidable.

I would have liked to see the ending change slightly.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Instead of Abby biting of Ellies fingers it should have been the clicker in the tree.
They should have skipped the threat on levs life. Instead I think Ellie should have Beat on Abby and drowned her while abby refused to fighter her.  And in that moment Ellie would realizes her death would not bring fulfillment for Joels death.


i think it would have made more sense to me.
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>The fingers are supposed to be poetic with her losing the ability to play guitar, but yeah they didn&#39;t resonate with me. I would have just removed that element completely. Or made it a bigger issue like mangling her hand.<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jul 02, 2020, 01:41 AM
Fing thank you!


https://youtu.be/bh5gzGs-63Y
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 02, 2020, 01:58 AM
Fing thank you!


https://youtu.be/bh5gzGs-63Y
Why are you saying thank you?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jul 02, 2020, 02:14 AM
Why are you saying thank you?
Sorry, i was to busy to make a real post. But its an awesome review and explains the game well. And one this isnt hating on the game like most of the ones on youtube
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 02, 2020, 02:29 AM
Sorry, i was to busy to make a real post. But its an awesome review and explains the game well. And one this isnt hating on the game like most of the ones on youtube
Yeah.  :D

Some of the reviews are just dumb.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>One review I saw was trying to argue that the game made Ellie look like a monster and that Abby was being forced to look like a saint.<br>And then two minutes later starts talking about how the game is making Abby look like a monster. &nbsp;<br><br>Well which is it?<br><br>


I said it before it's so stupid how people are upset about the fact that ND lied about the story in their advertising.  

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>ND literally did the same thing the first game. &nbsp;They claimed Joel was the only character. &nbsp;<br>They lied to protect the plot. &nbsp;<br><br>Sure lying is bad, but the response to it makes it way worse than it is. &nbsp;<br><br>It&#39;s just really irritating when someone is complaining about this game, claims they loved the first game, and yet all their complaints about this game is stuff that was true of the first game. &nbsp;<br>


We can talk about how the story structure had some issues, or plot holes, stuff like that.  
People can even think that the story pulled some cheap shots.

But so many of the complaints
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>-are about how people think LGBT stuff is being thrown down their throat. <br>-are from people that just clearly didn&#39;t get the point of the story.<br><br><br>And some are a little more complicated, like it seems like people just didn&#39;t give Abby a chance. &nbsp;Apparently some people literally stopped playing the game when the switch happened. &nbsp;<br>


I just wish there was healthier dialogue about this game.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 02, 2020, 04:20 AM
The game never really "clicked" with me. I played SOMA recently for example and that game was so much more transformative for me.

I understand people who did not like the game and I understand people who really did not like the game.



Yet so much discussion is just stupid or is amplified by stupid. Like some people think they have cracked the pretentious game by noticing how dogs are used to manipulate player emotions. These same people however don't notice they spent the whole game walking towards the next bright area like a moth. There could be a great discussion about the dogs, about NPC names, and everything else since it could genuinely ruin the experience for people yet instead it's almost always part of a larger hate train.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 02, 2020, 07:52 PM
Thinking about it.  

Something the first game did better.  


The first game is structured as one big adventure.  It's split up by a lot of these little light heart felt moments. Ellie picks up a toy.  Talks about a game.  We meet some other stragglers along the way.  

This game doesn't really have much of this.

Instead this game seems to have fewer but bigger moments. A few minute cut scene, a fairly lengthy flash back.

They aren't set up like little heart felt moments that are part of your adventure.  Instead the heart felt moments mostly feel detached from the main adventure.  

And I think this is the big reason why I feel fonder about the first game.  
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jul 02, 2020, 07:59 PM
Thinking about it.  

Something the first game did better.  


The first game is structured as one big adventure.  It's split up by a lot of these little light heart felt moments. Ellie picks up a toy.  Talks about a game.  We meet some other stragglers along the way.  

This game doesn't really have much of this.

Instead this game seems to have fewer but bigger moments. A few minute cut scene, a fairly lengthy flash back.

They aren't set up like little heart felt moments that are part of your adventure.  Instead the heart felt moments mostly feel detached from the main adventure.  

And I think this is the big reason why I feel fonder about the first game.  
Yep absolutely, this is the main reason the first game is clearly better.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jul 04, 2020, 12:30 AM
The hate laura bailey is getting on twitter right now is fudgy vile.  Gamers suck dog.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 04, 2020, 12:39 AM
The hate laura bailey is getting on twitter right now is fudgy vile.  Gamers suck dog.
I wouldn't say gamers suck but yeah it's gross.

It's still amazes me that there has been so much hate against this game from so many different directions.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 06, 2020, 10:33 PM
I think this game has 2 major flaws.

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Pacing. When Abby&#39;s section started I didn&#39;t want to play as her because I wanted to get back to the cliffhanger. Post cliffhanger the pacing was also really off for me. Every cut to black felt like the end.<br><br><br>Flashbacks/time jumps. A few short ones worked but most felt bad because of rpg mechanics. Why invest in loot and supplies when they don&#39;t matter? In Uncharted time jumps didn&#39;t really have this issue.<br><br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jul 07, 2020, 12:19 AM
I think this game has 2 major flaws.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Pacing. When Abby's section started I didn't want to play as her because I wanted to get back to the cliffhanger. Post cliffhanger the pacing was also really off for me. Every cut to black felt like the end.


Flashbacks/time jumps. A few short ones worked but most felt bad because of rpg mechanics. Why invest in loot and supplies when they don't matter? In Uncharted time jumps didn't really have this issue.


Agree with both, although I don't think they're particularly big flaws for the game. Just stops the game from being truly best of the best.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 07, 2020, 12:55 AM
I think this game has 2 major flaws.

Spoiler for Hidden:

Pacing. When Abby's section started I didn't want to play as her because I wanted to get back to the cliffhanger. Post cliffhanger the pacing was also really off for me. Every cut to black felt like the end.


Flashbacks/time jumps. A few short ones worked but most felt bad because of rpg mechanics. Why invest in loot and supplies when they don't matter? In Uncharted time jumps didn't really have this issue.


Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Pacing is a big issue. <br><br>I think the biggest issue with the flashbacks is the pacing and it makes the story feel a bit more disjointed. &nbsp;<br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 07, 2020, 01:06 AM
Agree with both, although I don't think they're particularly big flaws for the game. Just stops the game from being truly best of the best.
I don't think they ruin the game either. Just that they are fundamental instead of nitpicks.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Mmm_fish_tacos on Jul 07, 2020, 01:55 PM


Do you think it would have worked better if you started off as abby? Then flashed back to the thing and then picked up as Ellie?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 07, 2020, 02:39 PM


Do you think it would have worked better if you started off as abby? Then flashed back to the thing and then picked up as Ellie?
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>Would have made the story worse. I loved killing all these minor people as Ellie and then seeing more of them as Abby, knowing what is to come.<br><br>Maybe instead they could have made the Abby section in Jackson longer. Made players already expect to play as her half the time.<br><br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jul 07, 2020, 02:42 PM


Do you think it would have worked better if you started off as abby? Then flashed back to the thing and then picked up as Ellie?
No but we should have had 1 hour + of Abby's backstory at the start of the game imo. Perhaps it might not critically make it a better game but it would allow so many more people to get onboard with the story.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 07, 2020, 03:21 PM
Nothing new here I don't think.  (I started writing this before Tacos posted)
All just reiterating what I've said. 
Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>The criticism around this game has been weird. <br><br>Personally the game is weird because it feels like one of the best flawed games I&#39;ve played. <br>There are some games that I&#39;ve played that I just have a hard time pointing to a fundamental flaw.&nbsp; Uncharted 2, Bloodborne are like this for me.&nbsp; Not that either are perfect.&nbsp; But I personally have a hard time picking out major issues I have with either. <br><br>But this game I feel like has a few major flaws, and something that isn&#39;t really a flaw, it just feels worse compared to the previous game.&nbsp; But I still enjoyed the heck of it. I&#39;ll get back to this.<br><br><br>The other part of weird criticism, is that it feels like ~80% of the criticism of this game isn&#39;t actually criticism of the game but just nonsense.&nbsp; <br><br>Like complaining that Abby is trans, when she isn&#39;t.&nbsp; <br><br>So there&#39;s a weird issue where people are mostly talking about nonsense.&nbsp; <br><br><br>Most of the criticism that I really disagree with seems to come in 2 categories:<br>-that the game is political (due to LGBT stuff mostly)<br>-People that just couldn&#39;t get over Joel&#39;s death (people thought Joel would never have gone into a room with people), (that having a woman kill him was a political thing), (I can&#39;t play as the woman who killed Joel)<br><br>It seems like a lot of the criticism comes from people who either didn&#39;t play the game or they went in expecting an agenda and they focused on everything that agreed with them.&nbsp; <br><br><br>Like Joel&#39;s scene:<br>-people thought that they were giving too much information.&nbsp; Like the Angry Legend review brought this up.&nbsp; But if you watch the scene, they give their name and basically a generic we live around here.&nbsp; And yet the angry Legend review had a skit where they were giving guard patrol information and everything else.&nbsp; <br>-people thought that Joel wouldn&#39;t have gone into that room.&nbsp; Despite the fact that they were chased by a horde of infected, and they basically saved Joel and Tommy&#39;s life.&nbsp; Even then, if you actually watch Joel, he&#39;s tensely looking around the room.&nbsp; Tommy is being more pleasant, and that&#39;s always been who he was.&nbsp; <br><br><br>It&#39;s just ridiculously frustrating.<br><br><br><br>I think the game has some fundamental issues with it&#39;s structure.&nbsp; I&#39;m not sure what the best thing to do would have been.&nbsp; <br><br>It doesn&#39;t feel like there&#39;s a perfect way to structure the story, a lot of it feels like pros and cons.&nbsp; <br><br><br>Like if you swapped Ellie and Abby, getting to know Abby before she kills Joel, it&#39;d be weird because the swap would be further back. It seems really hard to intertwine stories like this, while mostly retaining the surprises and continuity.&nbsp; <br><br>I almost think the best thing would have been to have Abby play in her own game between the first and second. Would have helped some people like the game better, but something would be lost.&nbsp; <br><br>It just feels like how ever the game were to get structured something would get lost because of it. <br>(Like Legend pointed out, the switch to Abby where you start humanizing the people that Ellie killed was pretty powerful. Swapping their story lines might have made Abby more relatable, but you would lose out on that humanization.)<br><br>Swapping between Ellie and Abby every day is another thing that could have happened.&nbsp; But it would have hurt some things. <br><br>I said before that the thing that really makes the first game shine by comparison, is that it was broken up by smaller lighter moments. It made Ellie feel human, when you had these little moments.&nbsp; No one gets that treatment in this game.&nbsp; It&#39;s not a flaw per se, it is just something that I think should have been changed.&nbsp; <br><br>The pacing is the other big issue I have with the game.&nbsp; Some of it comes with story structure, setting the players expectations better.&nbsp; I think I was like 2 hours in, when I was finally expecting that Abby&#39;s section would be 8-12 hrs long like Ellie&#39;s was.&nbsp; Before that I was expecting it to be half as long, to get back to the cliffhanger.&nbsp; <br><br>And overall it&#39;s just a really long game.&nbsp; Like I am certain another studio would have packaged it as 2 Uncharted sized games, that are each 10-12 hrs long. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 07, 2020, 04:27 PM
Nothing new here I don't think.  (I started writing this before Tacos posted)
All just reiterating what I've said.  
Spoiler for Hidden:

The criticism around this game has been weird.

Personally the game is weird because it feels like one of the best flawed games I've played.
There are some games that I've played that I just have a hard time pointing to a fundamental flaw.  Uncharted 2, Bloodborne are like this for me.  Not that either are perfect.  But I personally have a hard time picking out major issues I have with either.

But this game I feel like has a few major flaws, and something that isn't really a flaw, it just feels worse compared to the previous game.  But I still enjoyed the heck of it. I'll get back to this.


The other part of weird criticism, is that it feels like ~80% of the criticism of this game isn't actually criticism of the game but just nonsense.  

Like complaining that Abby is trans, when she isn't.  

So there's a weird issue where people are mostly talking about nonsense.  


Most of the criticism that I really disagree with seems to come in 2 categories:
-that the game is political (due to LGBT stuff mostly)
-People that just couldn't get over Joel's death (people thought Joel would never have gone into a room with people), (that having a woman kill him was a political thing), (I can't play as the woman who killed Joel)

It seems like a lot of the criticism comes from people who either didn't play the game or they went in expecting an agenda and they focused on everything that agreed with them.  


Like Joel's scene:
-people thought that they were giving too much information.  Like the Angry Legend review brought this up.  But if you watch the scene, they give their name and basically a generic we live around here.  And yet the angry Legend review had a skit where they were giving guard patrol information and everything else.  
-people thought that Joel wouldn't have gone into that room.  Despite the fact that they were chased by a horde of infected, and they basically saved Joel and Tommy's life.  Even then, if you actually watch Joel, he's tensely looking around the room.  Tommy is being more pleasant, and that's always been who he was.  


It's just ridiculously frustrating.



I think the game has some fundamental issues with it's structure.  I'm not sure what the best thing to do would have been.  

It doesn't feel like there's a perfect way to structure the story, a lot of it feels like pros and cons.  


Like if you swapped Ellie and Abby, getting to know Abby before she kills Joel, it'd be weird because the swap would be further back. It seems really hard to intertwine stories like this, while mostly retaining the surprises and continuity.  

I almost think the best thing would have been to have Abby play in her own game between the first and second. Would have helped some people like the game better, but something would be lost.  

It just feels like how ever the game were to get structured something would get lost because of it.
(Like Legend pointed out, the switch to Abby where you start humanizing the people that Ellie killed was pretty powerful. Swapping their story lines might have made Abby more relatable, but you would lose out on that humanization.)

Swapping between Ellie and Abby every day is another thing that could have happened.  But it would have hurt some things.

I said before that the thing that really makes the first game shine by comparison, is that it was broken up by smaller lighter moments. It made Ellie feel human, when you had these little moments.  No one gets that treatment in this game.  It's not a flaw per se, it is just something that I think should have been changed.  

The pacing is the other big issue I have with the game.  Some of it comes with story structure, setting the players expectations better.  I think I was like 2 hours in, when I was finally expecting that Abby's section would be 8-12 hrs long like Ellie's was.  Before that I was expecting it to be half as long, to get back to the cliffhanger.  

And overall it's just a really long game.  Like I am certain another studio would have packaged it as 2 Uncharted sized games, that are each 10-12 hrs long.

I agree with everything except

Spoiler for Hidden:
<br><br>I liked this game&#39;s lighter moments. Ellie in the space capsule was amazing.<br><br>Made old Ellie so much harder to see.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 07, 2020, 04:59 PM
I agree with everything except

Spoiler for Hidden:


I liked this game's lighter moments. Ellie in the space capsule was amazing.

Made old Ellie so much harder to see.


Spoiler for Hidden:
<br>I did like that in this game. Especially that scene. <br><br>I just think the more frequent smaller moments in the first game, were better at breaking up the story. <br>
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Xevross on Jul 07, 2020, 06:23 PM
We all seem to have basically the same opinion on the game here, kind of funny. I remember U4 when we were a fair bit more mixed.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 08, 2020, 05:56 PM
I decided to play some original TLOU.  

Some things are really stunning, some things are really showing their age even on the remaster.  Like nature popping in during the drive.  Especially the bizarrely bad TVs.
Those were bad during the PS3 era frankly.  

They all look like cardboard TV's.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 10, 2020, 10:44 AM
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Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
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Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Jul 15, 2020, 08:01 PM
I wonder how this game will affect the relationship between publishers and reviewers.

Are blacklists ever a good thing? Should early reviews not be a thing? It feels wrong for publishers to give support to places that say horrible things yet that's similar to censoring critics.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jul 26, 2020, 07:00 PM
Over 2000 developers and 13 outsourcing studios worked on The Last of Us Part II | ResetEra (https://www.resetera.com/threads/over-2000-developers-and-13-outsourcing-studios-worked-on-the-last-of-us-part-ii.256053/)

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Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jan 16, 2024, 06:24 PM


Remaster sitting at 91 on MC (https://www.metacritic.com/game/the-last-of-us-part-ii-remastered/) 91 on OC (https://opencritic.com/game/15907/the-last-of-us-part-ii-remastered)
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Jan 16, 2024, 07:16 PM
definitely not that huge of an update, but when the game is already one of the best looking games its hard to really make a difference.  Definitely can see some shadow and texture differences in the distance.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jan 16, 2024, 10:00 PM


Remaster sitting at 91 on MC (https://www.metacritic.com/game/the-last-of-us-part-ii-remastered/) 91 on OC (https://opencritic.com/game/15907/the-last-of-us-part-ii-remastered)
I'll finally play the game when I get this version on the next sale  8)
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 02, 2024, 05:45 PM
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Feb 02, 2024, 11:00 PM
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Feb 02, 2024, 11:30 PM
Yeah I'm a little bit into the doc and the amount of crud that they got for reveals and trailers is insane
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 02, 2024, 11:33 PM
I still don't know what caused the backlash because I've yet to play the game. Can't fathom what a video game character or voice actor could do that would trigger something like that
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Feb 03, 2024, 02:30 AM
I still don't know what caused the backlash because I've yet to play the game. Can't fathom what a video game character or voice actor could do that would trigger something like that
I don't understand it either. It's not a star wars situation where the fanbase has grown for decades and new people are making it. This is a direct sequel from the same people who made the first.

You should get around to playing it. Laura Bailey's character was one of my favorites in the game and I doubt the character will be as good in the tv show.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2024, 02:50 AM
The hate crowd is some of the most insane stuff I've ever seen. Flat earther levels of insanity.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 03, 2024, 10:55 AM
I don't understand it either. It's not a star wars situation where the fanbase has grown for decades and new people are making it. This is a direct sequel from the same people who made the first.

You should get around to playing it. Laura Bailey's character was one of my favorites in the game and I doubt the character will be as good in the tv show.
Yep I probably will soon, when the remaster goes on sale  8)
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2024, 01:03 PM
Yep I probably will soon, when the remaster goes on sale  8)
Did you ever get the PS4 game?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 03, 2024, 04:23 PM
Did you ever get the PS4 game?
No
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2024, 06:07 PM
No
It's been available for $10, whatcha' waiting for?
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Feb 03, 2024, 08:58 PM
It's been available for $10, whatcha' waiting for?
Ps5 version lulz. And had plenty of games go play for free and in my backlog anyway. I'm in no rush
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 03, 2024, 09:04 PM
Ps5 version lulz. And had plenty of games go play for free and in my backlog anyway. I'm in no rush
It's a $10 upgrade though if you had the PS4 version. :P
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Feb 04, 2024, 08:06 AM
Just thinking about my time with TLOU2, the game's structure or whatever you want to call it is still so weird. Does the doc go into what the heck they were thinking with some of those things?

I think I forgot how much I hated about TLOU2 lol.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: the-pi-guy on Feb 04, 2024, 03:06 PM
Just thinking about my time with TLOU2, the game's structure or whatever you want to call it is still so weird. Does the doc go into what the heck they were thinking with some of those things?

I think I forgot how much I hated about TLOU2 lol.
I haven't watched the full documentary, just a few clips.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: nnodley on Feb 04, 2024, 04:18 PM
no the doc doesn't go into a lot of those reasonings.  The structure is pretty jarring on first playthrough, but personally I felt it was much better the second and third times. Though I did know how it was going to happen....soooo.

IMO, its still one of the most flawless games out there despite some weird pacing/structure.
Title: Re: The Last of Us Part 2 |OT| Play Phase
Post by: Legend on Feb 04, 2024, 04:59 PM
IMO, its still one of the most flawless games out there despite some weird pacing/structure.
Wow that's the exact opposite of my feelings. TLOU2 is super flawed imo, way more than most games, yet it's still somehow one of the greatest games ever made. It's maybe tied for #1 as the greatest game I've ever played yet I could spend an hour complaining about it lol.