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Title: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2015, 01:32 PM
Their new system is coming fast and the wii u has died a painful death. What would it take for you to believe in Nintendo again and buy the NX? Super powerful graphics? Low price? Third party support?


I'm a fanboy so I'll buy it regardless.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jun 27, 2015, 01:53 PM
I'm actually done with Nintendo.  I'm not sure what they can do, bar a Mass Effect style Metroid.  But even then I'd have to think about it.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 27, 2015, 02:27 PM
Super Mario RPG.
They won't become a primary console for me.  Almost nothing they can do.  
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Aura7541 on Jun 27, 2015, 03:04 PM
- Make it powerful, but not too expensive.
- Have a good balance between new IPs and existent IPs.
- Have plenty of 3rd party games, especially Japanese 3rd parties.

Those three things won't necessarily make the NX my primary system, but it will at last warrant a purchase from me.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 27, 2015, 03:08 PM
Have the same 3rd party support as the others and more power than PS4 with some good Nintendo games too. I still would probably just keep playing PS4 but this would make it more enticing.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2015, 03:27 PM
Have the same 3rd party support as the others and more power than PS4 with some good Nintendo games too. I still would probably just keep playing PS4 but this would make it more enticing.
If you have a PS4, then why would you care about 3rd parties on NX?
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: BasilZero on Jun 27, 2015, 03:59 PM
As long as they make Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Pokemon, and Kirby games I'm always gonna buy their systems.

Of course I'm gonna give them two years before I buy a system from them - same with all other companies.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 27, 2015, 04:41 PM
If you have a PS4, then why would you care about 3rd parties on NX?
Like I said, I would still just keep my PS4 and not get the NX but they need to 3rd parties to even make me consider their consoles.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2015, 04:46 PM
Like I said, I would still just keep my PS4 and not get the NX but they need to 3rd parties to even make me consider their consoles.
But why?  You'd be getting the 3rd parties on ps4 and only exclusives on nx right?
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 27, 2015, 05:01 PM
But why?  You'd be getting the 3rd parties on ps4 and only exclusives on nx right?
Not if NX gets the best versions of multiplats
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2015, 05:03 PM
Not if NX gets the best versions of multiplats
Oh I gotcha
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jun 27, 2015, 05:04 PM
Not if NX gets the best versions of multiplats
What are the chances of that happening?  Sony has those because of better hardware/install base.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Dr. Pezus on Jun 27, 2015, 05:04 PM
What are the chances of that happening?  Sony has those because of better hardware/install base.
Look at the premise of this thread!
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jun 27, 2015, 05:06 PM
Look at the premise of this thread!
Yeah, and I want a Mass Effect Metroid.  Just because I want it doesn't mean it's going to happen ;P (P.S. the irony of what I just said).
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2015, 05:18 PM
What are the chances of that happening?  Sony has those because of better hardware/install base.
All the need to do is drop the 3rd party fee. Make 3rd parties prefer people buy their games on NX. Gosh it's so simple yet Nintendo won't do it
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jun 27, 2015, 06:10 PM
All the need to do is drop the 3rd party fee. Make 3rd parties prefer people buy their games on NX. Gosh it's so simple yet Nintendo won't do it
Like we discussed earlier; Nintendo does that they might as well drop hardware.  There'd be no reason to keep hardware if they don't get licensing money.  I mean, they'd have to make a POS hardware to profit off of.  That alone would keep third parties off the box regardless.  They need to make money off of the hardware or follow the razor blade model.  Razor blade model does't work without licensing money from third parties.  Third parties need matching hardware to care for Nintendo.  That hardware will make Nintendo lose money on the hardware and won't guarantee 3rd party success.  No third party success means Nintendo has to make money off of their own software.  Nintendo doesn't need their own game console to make money off of their software.  See the whole problem Nintendo is in right now?  They put themselves here when they made the Wii.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2015, 06:25 PM
Like we discussed earlier; Nintendo does that they might as well drop hardware.  There'd be no reason to keep hardware if they don't get licensing money.  I mean, they'd have to make a POS hardware to profit off of.  That alone would keep third parties off the box regardless.  They need to make money off of the hardware or follow the razor blade model.  Razor blade model does't work without licensing money from third parties.  Third parties need matching hardware to care for Nintendo.  That hardware will make Nintendo lose money on the hardware and won't guarantee 3rd party success.  No third party success means Nintendo has to make money off of their own software.  Nintendo doesn't need their own game console to make money off of their software.  See the whole problem Nintendo is in right now?  They put themselves here when they made the Wii.
Ninty would still take a cut off DLC and microtransactions, which more and more is where the bulk of the money is. Plus Ninty could charge for online. They'd be swimming in cash compared to their current situation.

Dropping hardware would just be stupid unless they stopped making traditional games. Their first party titles currently make 100% of the profit, compared to 70% if they switched to 3rd party.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: darkknightkryta on Jun 27, 2015, 09:09 PM
Ninty would still take a cut off DLC and microtransactions, which more and more is where the bulk of the money is. Plus Ninty could charge for online. They'd be swimming in cash compared to their current situation.

Dropping hardware would just be stupid unless they stopped making traditional games. Their first party titles currently make 100% of the profit, compared to 70% if they switched to 3rd party.
You're assuming there are third parties to give microtransactions and DLC to get money off of.  My assumption (A pretty good one) is there won't be third party support.  They won't be making third party licensing money, including DLC.  Nintendo has a dwindling fanbase and you'd have to assume charging for online will make it even smaller.  8 dollars to Sony with their (Nintendo) software consistently selling 10s of millions if not more vs their software selling 5 million max (Which is the current limit for Wii U sales).  I'll say it again, hardware makes no sense unless you can make a profit off of the hardware or licensing money.  Nintendo is in a position where neither is possible.  
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on Jun 27, 2015, 10:42 PM
You're assuming there are third parties to give microtransactions and DLC to get money off of.
With a strategy like this, Nintendo would have to screw up incredibly hard to not get third party support.



There's really no financial reasons to not give the NX extreme support, and the third parties would stop the system from having poor sales. They'd actively prefer it succeeded over PS4 and XBO.


Nintendo has a dwindling fanbase and you'd have to assume charging for online will make it even smaller.
Yes charging for online will have a negative impact on sales, but the positive impact from 3rd party support would be much larger. Plus it'd be 2016. Everyone is charging for online and Nintendo can get away with it even if their servers suck.

8 dollars to Sony with their (Nintendo) software consistently selling 10s of millions if not more vs their software selling 5 million max (Which is the current limit for Wii U sales).
If the cut was $8 on a retail sale, the publisher is making about $27 per disc. So every sale on PS4 gives them $27 while ever sale on NX gives them $35. No freaking way would publishers be making 3rd party exclusives at launch, I'm not saying that, but they would certainly people bought their games on Nintendo's system.
I'll say it again, hardware makes no sense unless you can make a profit off of the hardware or licensing money.  Nintendo is in a position where neither is possible.  
Hardware makes no sense unless you can make a profit, period. No reason to artificially restrict that to just two options.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: 7H3 on Jun 28, 2015, 12:32 AM
Make a ps4 on steroids
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: kitler53 on Jun 28, 2015, 01:01 AM
there probably isn't anything nintendo can do. 


it isn't the hardware that turns me off it is the software.  from the wii series to the overuse of mario to things like starfox,.. nintendo is more than a generation out of date these days.  for fudges sake indies like no mans sky or the witness clearly have far more effort and expertise put into their games.  every nintendo game (sans zelda) feels like a budget title these days and fudge that noise.  

nintendo is a garbage developer these days.  i wouldn't buy a NX at free. 
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Max King of the Wild on Jun 28, 2015, 03:13 AM
Why are 3rd parties so important even if you have a machine to run them? It's a sign of a healthy viable platform.

What do they have to do for me? Cut the gimmicks. Have a nice comfortable input device designed with games in mind. Have a full retailer game bundled from the start. Start some form of achievement and reward system tied to a user ID of my choice. Third party support. All with a decent power and competitively priced.

Oh and  don't charge online play. I don't play online enough to justify another subscription.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: the-pi-guy on Jun 28, 2015, 03:48 AM
It really depends on what the software is like.  
The hardware should be at a price that justifies the software.  If it's similar to Wii U, it should be cheaper, if it manages to do much better it should cost the same as the Wii U.  
Horsepower is nice, but it's not necessary.  To me it doesn't really matter what they do with the hardware as long as they make software to justify it.  If they make some crazy gimmick, that'd be fine as long as they show me that it's awesome.  The problem with gimmicks though, that some companies have, is they don't do anything to justify them.  
Look at motion control
Wii had a few games, but they became forgotten and they didn't really do anything interesting with motion afterwards.  I think this was 1 reason among many why the Wii didn't stick around as long as it [arguably] could've.  
Sony didn't really do anything great with motion controls, aside from some things that Nintendo already did, and to me it seemed like they were heading in the right direction but they messed up.  
Microsoft had some success because they did new stuff too.

3D?
Sony did some stuff, but it's pretty much been dropped.  I think it was too expensive at the time to really be big.  

Wii U gamepad?
They did and are doing some stuff, but there's still untapped potential here and they don't seem to be doing a good job at selling it.  

So if they have a gimmick, they have to show me why it's worthwhile.  The best way to do this is through games.  

Game wise, I feel most of Nintendo is kind of stuck.  They do things in a very certain way.  
Nintendo games kind of exist in a bubble.  
On the brightside, few companies have ever done anything in their bubble.  
Their art style, their quality, their philosophy isn't really done anywhere else.
Could you imagine Sony making a game like Super Mario Bros?
They have similar games, but none with their atmosphere.

On the bad side of things, they haven't done much outside of their bubble.  
Could Nintendo make a game like Uncharted?  The Last of Us?  Bloodborne? inFamous?  Halo?

To get me to buy NX, Nintendo would need to make more games, new games, bring back their old classics and great games they haven't touched in a while.  

Where's Super Mario RPG 2?  Where's Super Mario Galaxy 3?  Where's all the crazy new IPs?  
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: BananaKing on Jun 28, 2015, 10:33 AM
sack iwata, myamoto and reggie and then we can talk about what they could do.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: Legend on May 14, 2017, 11:12 PM
Well they didn't listen.

Did it work though?
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: darkknightkryta on May 15, 2017, 12:14 AM
Well they didn't listen.

Did it work though?
We won't find out for another year probably.
Title: Re: What does Ninty need to do to make you want the NX?
Post by: BasilZero on May 15, 2017, 02:39 AM
As long as they make Mario, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Pokemon, and Kirby games I'm always gonna buy their systems.

Of course I'm gonna give them two years before I buy a system from them - same with all other companies.
I still stand by what I said two years ago :P